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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:06 PM
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The lie they lean upon...
If A Democrat had won in 2000 or 2004, nothing would be different. The 911 tragedy would still have happened. We would still be at war in Iraq. We would still be in debt up to our eyeballs. We would still be waiting for the trainwreck. This is the lie Republicans tell themselves to rationalize the disaster we are now facing. To thine ownself be true...unless you're a Republican.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:11 PM
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1. You're right
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 02:11 PM by TheFarseer
they have convinced themselves it would be even worse if a dem was in office. If something's bad, change it, does not seem to resonate with these people. All I know is, none of this crap was a problem with Clinton in office.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:15 PM
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3. 8 years of peace and prosperity...
... thank God it's over!
:eyes:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:14 PM
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2. I doubt it.
Gore may not have been able to stop 9/11, but he would have read the goddamn memo! He would not have gone to war with Iraq. Consequently, we would not be up to our eyeballs in debt, especially since Gore would not have given the rich a tax break. Further, he would not have spent the first month in office talking us into a recession. He probably would have used the 9/11 and Afghan war as excuses to push a real energy policy and maybe even health care reform (because of the biological aspect to ter'rism). Either Kerry or a reelected Gore would have vetoed the bankruptcy bill. Neither would have permitted drilling in ANWR. Both would follow international law and have the cooperation of the rest of the world.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:17 PM
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4. He would probably have spent some of the surplus because...
of the downturn in the economy...maybe? And then the Repubs would have been screaming about how fiscally irresponsible he and the Democrats are and what bis "spenders" they are and how they would have done things differently if they had "won". That would have been their argument.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:19 PM
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6. Yes, good point
"He probably would have used the 9/11 and Afghan war as excuses to push a real energy policy" Republicans ALWAYS take the wrong message away from everything! The message was NOT to invade lots and lots of countries. The democrats *occasionally* take away the right message from events and I think this would have been one of those times.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:29 PM
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8. Gore...
Would NOT have evicerated our anti-terror infrastructure. Gore would not have allowed the State Dept. and Ambr. Bodine to have derailed the investigation into the USS Cole bombing. Gore would have stopped the crimes commited in the FBI translation dept. once they came to light. The Gore Justice Dept. would not have curtailed or stopped the level of FISA warrants issued to investigators. The improvements in anti-terror intel collection made under Clinton would have continued. Gore would have read the bi-partisan terror report. There probably would not be a need for the Phoenix memo. The office of anti-terror Czar would NOT have been reduced to sub-Cabinet level. Multi-jurisditional intel-sharing meetings would have continued, and more pressure for cooperation would have been applied. There certainly would not have been a need for Agent Crowley's memo, and she would have gotten her FISA warrent thus tying Mousauii to Germany and Atta. If any aspect of intel gathering would have been fiddled with, as was RAMPANT under B**shco, Gore would have cut off heads.

In all likelyhood, the normal anti-terror efforts carried out under the Clinton admin by 2000 would have continued, been improved incrementally as it had before, and the plot, which as we now know was not well concealed, would have been discovered BEFORE it had been carried out.

B**shco is responsible for 9/11.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:31 PM
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10. Actually, didn't Gore introduce a bill
that would require strong locked doors on public flight cockpits? I'm pretty sure he did but it got beat down by the airline lobby....
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:34 PM
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11. Gore
Would not have sat in a school room during the most important minutes of Bushes presidency. Bush failed pre-9/11 to prevent, but they clearly failed big time on that day to act in a timely manner.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:17 PM
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5. If I had a nickel each time I heard after 9-11
"Could you imagine if Gore was in office. What he would have done? Probably hugged a tree" I would being getting my bush tax cuts in the 200,000 plus bracket.
I have always looked at repugs as a little out of step with reality, but these last few years they have really gotten whacked out.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:22 PM
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7. As whacked out as the Nazis whom the Busheviks borrowed their
Propaganda Strategy Playbook from.

No less, no more.

Let times get even CLOSE to Depression bad, and the thinnest of layers that hides this fact will fall away just like that.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:25 PM
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9. I have been saying the following for years:
If the 2000 election had gone to Gore, the terrorist attacks on the US would not have happened.

My reasoning? Look at the attitude of the Republicans at the time. They were sending shock troops to Florida to intimidate the process.

Do you think that the Repukes would have stood still and accepted President Gore had the situation been identical? NO.

The repukes would have declared a civil war (remember that the majority of the militia types and the KKK and the Neo-Nazis and the gun nuts and the religious fanatics never seem to be backing Democratic candidates for ANYTHING).

Osama would have been laughing his ass off watching Faux News covering the "brave patriots" fighting to regain the "democracy".
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