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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:55 PM
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Kristof Dosen't Get It....NY Times Editorial Saying Hillary gets it
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 02:57 PM by rigel99
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Who Gets It? Hillary
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/16/opinion/16kris.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEditorials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fNicholas%20D%20Kristof
Published: March 16, 2005

If the Democratic Party wants to figure out how to win national elections again, it has an unexpected guide: Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Senator Clinton, much more than most in her party, understands how the national Democratic Party needs to rebrand itself. She gets it - perhaps that's what 17 years in socially conservative Arkansas does to you.

The first lesson Mrs. Clinton is demonstrating is the need to talk much more openly about God and prayer. That resonates in a country where a Pew poll found that 60 percent of Americans pray at least once a day.
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Then there's abortion. Mrs. Clinton took a hugely important step in January when she sought common ground and described abortion as a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."
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my response...


Who Doesn't Get it? Nicholas. Responding to your March 16 article about "Who Gets It?"

You don't get it Nicholas. Hillary is a sell out just like Lieberman, Zell Miller and a long line of 'republican lite' democrats, in Georgia we call these people Zealots. Nothing is wrong with democrats and they require no changes at all. Let me update you Mr. Kristof in case you haven't been reading the real news on the blogs, you know, where we found a criminal roaming the white house press corps named Guckert, or was it Gannon.
A. George Bush was not elected, not in 2000 and not in 2004. See OH, GA, FL, NM election investigations (lawsuits Mr. Kristof) to see how the 2004 election was stolen or better yet, go to my website www.countpaperballots.com.
B. The abortion and God thing are not as important to for instance an african american voter who while being extremely religious and attending Sunday school, is also unemployed because of Bush. I bet you that voter, whether democrat or republican just wants to see more jobs, which Bush has been unable to provide. No amount of God talk can create jobs, Mr. Kristof. No, I daresay that democrat voted for Kerry, but unfortunately, either stood in line for 10 hours and still
did not get to vote, had their provisional ballot cast aside because
of a technicality, was scared away from the polls by police cars situated by the polling location thanks to Tom Feeney a republican proud of that kind of behaviour or worse yet, voted indeed for Kerry but had the Diebold software flip his vote to Bush from Kerry.

I don't buy a single argument for how democrats need to change. We won the election in 2000 with a popular majority vote and if the 2000 election were not decided by judges appointed by Bush's brother Jeb,
the democrats would be enjoying a 2 term victory. We won in 2004 as well but had our votes rigged and flipped with 1/3 of our votes on electronic machines made by 2 companies, both GOP Supporters
Diebold and ES&S. We in Georgia also don't feel that democrats need to change a thing, except perhaps the level of our peaceful resistance and grassroots activism.

That's happening in fact, this week, the entire Georgia DEMOCRATIC delegation walked out of the state senate building when the the 100% republican majority voted to require driver's license for
citizens to be able to vote. This single move is partisan and disenfranchises a huge percentage of voters who are perfectly democratic and perfectly moral and perfectly welcome to live in this country without a driver's license (where in any constitution does it say you have to have a driver's license to be a voting citizen of America?). If the driver's license is more valuable than other forms of Identification, why are you allowed to use other forms of ID to get a driver's license? It's purely another disenfranchising scare tactic the republicans use to keep democrats away from the polls and their greedy corporate interested 'morally bankrupt' values in power.

This week the Bernie Ebbers conviction reflects the new mood in America, corporate criminals go to jail. Period. And that's where many of our GOP friends will end up when we get back to voting by paper ballots, because we will vote in the true democrats and fix this problem of corporate America controlling our wars, our economy and our policies, so too will come Tom Delay's reward one day for all his ethical behaviour.

Privatization of all sectors from social security, to elections to war, is truly the scourge both parites should be focused on defeating. Because in the end, Mr. Kristof, how much will pro-life and pro-God discussions get you when your economy has crashed and your people are looking for food in the streets? If China cashes in our bank loan, we can count on a 1920's style economic crash.

Actually, Mr. Kristof, I'd suggest you buy a Jimmy Carter book and read it if you want to learn about true democrats, he was a very devout man and much to my happiness kept it mostly to himself. That's the beauty of the old democratic America, the right to worship anything in your own privacy, not being forced to worship christianity because that's what's in the white house. The new America is a scary kind of right wing Christian fascist dictatorship, that has me as a gay person as worried as the jew was in Nazi germany.

Stop watching Hillary, her career as a democrat is not as guaranteed as she might think. Also, watch out for Howard Dean, he might teach the world what a fiscally responsible democrat can do when in power.

May the ancient taoist monks of wudang mountain, bless you for your thinking too much,
how's that for God talk.....

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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 02:58 PM
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1. respectfully, I don't think you get it either
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 03:05 PM by imenja
not if you think Hillary is exactly like Lieberman, or that either of them is like Zell Miller.

I don't think Hillary has the right remedy for how to reform the party, but to insist we have no changes to make and that our only problem is corrupt elections is frankly burying your head in the sand.

What about the bankruptcy vote, and the ones that voted against the Cantwell amendment today? We have serious improvements to make.
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rigel99 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:11 PM
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3. UNELECTED DEMOCRAT PANSIES
that's who voted for the bankruptcy bill.. sometimes the GOP likes to placate the masses so we don't riot in the streets, so they keep democrats in power who are beholding to their 'loyalty votes'....

but in this you are correct, the democrats have some growing up to do... but do not erase what has been 200+ years of building the greatest democracy in the world, mostly with democrats at the helm of such great ideas as social security, medicare, homeland security, (ill implemented, but devised by democrats, etc). ideas that have fermented and grown sour over time and from negelect....

Hillary has a long way to go to deserve my spending an ounce of energy on her....

my pick for 2008 is Barbera boxer... she has proven her net worth...
and when the machines are fixed, we will usher in a new era of democrats to once again rebuild a truly great America from this dungheap it has become under the Bushes...
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:13 PM
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4. What do you mean "unelected" democrat pansies
who wasn't elected that voted?
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imenja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:43 PM
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5. I'm with you on Boxer
She's my favorite as well.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 03:00 PM
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2. well done, rigel
well done.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:02 PM
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6. Hillary Is Not A Sellout & Democrats Can NOT Be The Athiest Party
nor can we ignore the importance of values in political discussions.

Dennis Kucinich was anti-abortion no matter how badly some of his supporters want to rationalize his votes.

Your post strikes me as being terribly immature.
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