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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:28 PM
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Manondog Santorum & Opus Dei. Also Robert Novak and others
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:36 PM
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1. Opus Dei - those people have got to be officially ejected
from the Catholic church. They are causing all kinds of harm. I believe horrible Tom Monaghan is a member.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:37 PM
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2. Writer forgot to include Louie Freedh - former head of FBI on
the list. Same chapter in DC. He was a Clinton appointee but worked
hard to get Clinton impeached. Congressman Dan Burton was his buddy.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:45 PM
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3. Frigging incredible!! This really creeps me out
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 06:47 PM by Nothing Without Hope
Here's a clip from the blog entry with associated quotes that you cite in your OP:

American VIPs included Archbishop John Myers of Newark, N.J., a member of Opus Dei’s Priestly Society of the Holy Cross, and U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, Republican of Pennsylvania. Santorum told NCR he is not a member of Opus Dei, but an admirer of Escriva.
……

He told NCR that a distinction between private religious conviction and public responsibility, enshrined in John Kennedy’s famous speech in 1960 saying he would not take orders from the Catholic church if elected president, has caused “much harm in America.”

“All of us have heard people say, ‘I privately am against abortion, homosexual marriage, stem cell research, cloning. But who am I to decide that it’s not right for somebody else?’ It sounds good,” Santourm said. “But it is the corruption of freedom of conscience.”

Santorum told NCR that he regards George W. Bush as “the first Catholic president of the United States.”

“From economic issues focusing on the poor and social justice, to issues of human life, George Bush is there,” he said. “He has every right to say, ‘I’m where you are if you’re a believing Catholic.’ ”


I am speechless at the scale of the horror and screaming hypocrisy of this. Oh. My. God. Thanks for posting this, as we needed to know, but it's sure bad news to get just before a meal.

Edited to add: Recommended
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 06:56 PM
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4. I remember doing a bunch of research on them a couple of years
ago. The sexes live totally separately. The males have the responsibility of working for a living. The females have the responsibility of working for a living plus going to the males' residence once a week (during set hours when the males have to vacate the premises totally) and clean up after the males. The whole thing is truly bizarre and a true cult.

I guess doing god's work doesn't mean having to clean up after yourself if you're a privileged male.

It would be really nice if somebody informed these poor deluded souls that Fuckwit is part of a cult movement that regards their cult as Satanic.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:02 PM
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5. Go crawl in a hole Santorum
Next time you are at Mass, LOOK around and you see how many of your fellow Catholic families have more than TWO KIDS.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:20 PM
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6. And it totally follows the old, bad script of saying sex is bad
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 07:24 PM by Nothing Without Hope
so you have celibacy and strict separation of the dominant, lordly males from those dangerous, seductive females, who are "just asking for it."

This is really, really sick. The Catholic Church needs to distance itself from these cultists, but I don't see that happening any time soon, do you?
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 07:32 PM
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7. Googled Opus Dei a bit one day
FWIW, the women don't have to do cleaning duty if they choose not to. However, any secretive group/cult that has a number of elected officials involved isn't to be trusted, and has no place in gov't. Any members should make their allegence to such a group public. It's the "secretive" aspect that's disturbing.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:40 PM
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11. They are not allowed to read anything that isn't provided by
their "spiritual mentor". The women have to enter the building through a separate entrance from the men.

It's definitely a "cult". They focus on controlling your thoughts and having you recruit for them.

I have a niece who's a numerary of the Opus Dei. I have learned too much about them and I despise just about all of it.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:47 PM
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12. Antonin Scalia is an Opus Dei member as is/was
Edited on Wed Mar-16-05 11:03 PM by Eloriel
Victor Hansen (did I get his name right?) that domestic spy from a couple of years ago, the one who spent so much Russian money he got on exotic dancers, or was it a prostitute? Whatever. Sure someone will remember that bizarre case.

Edit: Convicted FBI spy Robert Hanssen is also an Opus Dei member. (from the link,w hich also mentions Clarence Thomas but I didn't see Scalia mentioned, even tho I'm sre I've seen him identified as An Opus Dei member)
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:33 PM
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15. Sanitorium, You Have No Freedom!
You religious nut! People who are truly FREE examine facts and weigh both sides BEFORE coming down!
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 08:21 PM
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8. Thanks BrklynLiberal
I wasn't sure if I should post that on this board in addition to the PA board when I wrote it up. Thanks for putting it up here!:loveya::loveya:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:27 PM
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9. I thought it deserved wider attention.
I was hoping you would not be upset.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:33 PM
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10. My gut reaction:Another group of self-loathing, misogynistic men who are
so terrified of ANYTHING that even faintly hints at femininity or {GOD FORBID!} homosexuality. They band together in these pseudo-testosterone reinforcing groups so they feel "manly". It is all part and parcel of the fascist movement. One of the 14 points is the attempt to control and minimize the role and rights of women and other minoirities in society.
It is also a basic tenet of the fundamentalist, dominionist view of the world. Men dominate. Women merely serve.


5.) Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
The Bush Administration issues medical guidelines that rape victims should just carry the child to term
Bush refuses to sign U.N proposal on women's "sexual" rights
Partial Birth Abortion Act of 2003 failed to provide any exception if a woman's health is at stake.
Justice Dept. Demands Abortion Records
W. David Hager chairman of the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee does not prescribe contraceptives for single women, does not do abortions, will not prescribe RU-486 and will not insert IUDs. Hager believes that headaches, PMS and eating disorders can be cured by reading Scripture.
Bush Administration to Extend Health Coverage to Fetuses but Not to Pregnant Women
The State Department has awarded an explicitly anti-feminist U.S. group part of a US$10 million grant to train Iraqi women in political participation and democracy.
GOP candidate approves of the execution of homosexuals
College Republicans Plan 'Straight Pride Week'
Bush calls for constitutional ban on same-sex marriages
According to the Secretary of Education, PBS can air kids shows with evangelicals, but not lesbians


I think the SELF-LOATHING aspect of the personality takes the highest priorty on the list of personality disorders that makes one attracted to the cult of Bush/Fascism.
One can be gay/straight/black/white/male/female/hispanic etc. The one common thread seems to be an intense self-loathing that underlies a streak of cold, unfeeling cruelty and total lack of caring about one's fellow planetary inhabitants.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:55 PM
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13. Oh, like this?
One of THE best discussions on the subject I've ever seen:

The Wimp Factor: Gender Gaps, Holy Wars, and the Politics of Anxious Masculinity by Stephen J. Ducat
http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/05/02/pre05024.html

Several quotes pulled from the must read article:

Quote:
Part of the reason is that this type of masculinity is defined largely in terms of domination. The problem is that domination--either in a personal or a global context---can never be a permanent condition. It’s a relational state. It’s dependent on having somebody in a subordinate position. That means you could be manly today, but you’re not going to be manly tomorrow unless you’ve got somebody to push around and control, whether that is an abused wife or another country. So this kind of masculinity is really brittle.

Quote:
Real men, you know, don’t worry about the losers in the new global Darwinian economy.

Quote re Grover Norquist:
For many Republicans, collaboration raises enormous femiphobic anxieties, even if they’re collaborating--and perhaps especially if they’re collaborating--with Democrats. GOP strategist Grover Norquist once said that bipartisanship is another name for date rape. So that tells you about his anxiety, I think.

Quote:
BuzzFlash: To cooperate, then, is to give up one’s masculine prerogative to assert oneself as a male leader?

Stephen J. Ducat: Absolutely. In the world they live in, you’re either a top or a bottom. Mutuality, democracy, equality--that makes no sense to them.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:25 PM
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14. Absolutely perfect!!!!!!! Thanks for the link.
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overly fluorinated Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 11:43 PM
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16. Here's more....
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:20 PM
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17. Whoa! That scares the helll out of me.
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