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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:23 PM
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Figured out why Akaka and Inouye voted for drilling in ANWR
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 09:24 PM by Goathead
It was sitting in front of me the whole time and I was even affected by it living in Hawai'i. It is because gasoline is approaching $3.00 a gal. in Hawai'i and Hawai'i is it's own little political microcosm. Sitting right in front of me and I couldn't see it. I guess I let the emotion of this environmental catastrophe waiting to happen cloud my judgement. One must try to step back and look at the broader picture from time to time.

Edit:clarity
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:27 PM
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1. Thank you for the insite,
It helps to get grounded once in awile. Best.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:52 PM
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11. Yeah, but it's WRONG. It's a guess, not the actual truth -- see here
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 09:53 PM by Eloriel
Discsussed here:
The Hawaii-Alaska Connection: The Arctic Refuge; The Last Frontier
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x113363

Article Link:
http://hawaiiislandjournal.com/2005/02a05b.html
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:27 PM
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2. Do you know what effect ANWR will have on gas prices in Hawaii?
None.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:29 PM
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3. BINGO!!!!!!
that's the bottom line.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:32 PM
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4. Agreed
but I can see why they voted that way, cant't blame them.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:48 PM
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10. but I do blame them
enough games, enough "bigger picture" stuff, its not like we (the nation, humanity, the environment) lost by repub votes.

No spin makes it ok.

And can you imagine the momentum Dems and conscious Americans, and the environment would have had after such a vote?

Nope. To hell with both of them and Landreiu, as far as I'm concerned.

Once its done - once the trucks and the plows and the pipes and the drills enter the area, its done. Can't make another one.

Big, big deal.

Why they voted to allow this in no way outweighs why they should have voted not to allow it.
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:42 PM
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7. Doesn't matter
Yes, I know that "the market" drives the price of oil. These two Senators have to at least have the appearance that they are doing something for their constituents.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:00 PM
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14. Sorry
I think elected officials, especially US Senators, should be held to a higher standard than just the "appearance that they are doing something for their constituents."
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:05 PM
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15. Absolutely
In Hawaii politics though, it's all about appearances and who your uncle is connected with. Nepotism and corruption is so common place that nobody gives it a second thought.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:33 PM
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5. Okay tinfoil time...
Edited on Thu Mar-17-05 09:34 PM by rockedthevoteinMA
Maybe they voted for it, and then today the Medicaid cuts were voted down, and now the budget may not pass, so the drilling won't go through?

edit: Like to get the Repukes hopes up... :tinfoilhat:
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:10 PM
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16. Or maybe
So we can bash Republicans in '06 for drilling in ANWR, even though they won't be able to because there won't be a budget resolution.

Hmmm...do you think Democrats can possibly be so Rovian??
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 07:25 AM
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21. I wish... now that I read it, I doubt it. Though Dean is at the head
of the DNC - so it's possible.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:39 PM
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6. Ok, you agree with their vote.....now why doesn't anyone of them
get off their butt and write a bill that would provide alternative energy. ANWR is a bandaid at best and certainly putting your finger in the dike has been proven to be an exercise in futility - we're wasting valuable time arguing about this while again ignoring the elephant in the room. We have become such a pushover society and it seems we no longer want to solve problems - just push them aside and let the next guy worry about them.
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:47 PM
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8. I don't agree with their vote.
ANWR is important to me. Just because I paid high gas prices in Hawaii doesn't mean I am in favor of drilling in one of the last untrammeled wildernesses on the planet.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:47 PM
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9. Here's another reason
Check this article for some fairly detailed info on why Akaka and Inouye voted with the Rethugs on ANWR.

http://hawaiiislandjournal.com/2005/02a05b.html
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:55 PM
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13. "It's the corporate guys versus the people. It's all about money and power
That's it in a nut shell.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 09:54 PM
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12. How much gas do you need in Hawaii you can walk the island in a day n/t
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Goathead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:11 PM
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17. Hardly...
Hawaii Island(aka The Big Island) is larger than Delaware and Rhode Island combined.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:23 PM
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18. Why the HELL do Americans think that oil companies want to
bring down oil prices?

It's so fucking bizarre.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:48 PM
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19. He MUST be anticipating dibs on that oil
Or else there's some defense industry angle, something both Akaka and Inouye share an affinity for.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-17-05 10:58 PM
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20. The Broader Picture?
I'm confused. If "constituents" can't see that survival depends on a healthy environment then the picture must be fuzzy. Emotions are the touchstone to a deeper way of seeing.

Ban cars on the island and drive this


or this:


Global warming- TIMES UP
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 07:31 AM
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22. It's because Hawaii and Alaska have always worked together
Hawaii and Alaska are outlier states -- they get ignored by the lower 48. the only way they can have any political clout is to form a bloc of their own. During the years i lived in hawaii, I can't think of many times when Inouye didn't vote the way Alaska did -- and vice versa. It's just a reality of politics.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 07:38 AM
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23. I'm also wondering
if finding new areas to drill will slow down the war plans for empire.
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