Did you use water today? If so, read:

{1} This evening, I want to take a few minutes to talk about something we may take for granted: water. Likely today, we have all brushed our teeth, showered, drank a cup of coffee, or used water in some other ways.

When I was young, I was taught that "Water is the First Law of Life." I learned that pure, clean water was essential for healthy human beings. I was taught that filthy water was associated with disease and death.

All people depend upon water. All races, religions, both sexes, all ages. I was taught that if you place a clean glass of water next to a filthy glass, thirsty people will always choose the clean water.

Let's look closer at water, and then examine some choices we can make.

{2} Today is St. Patrick's Day. We think of Ireland, where there are literally hundreds of sacred wells and springs, where St. Patrick performed ceremonies using pure water. In fact, for thousands of years before Patrick, the Druids used those same wells and springs for ceremonies.

I live in New York State. The Iroquois Confederacy recognized the sacred life-sustaining powers of the wells and springs on this land. I recently posted a thread about the Land Claims Suit the Onondaga Nation filed a week ago in federal court in Syracuse. They are not asking for rent, evictions, or a gambling casino; rather, they are demanding that the US government keep its promise to thoroughly clean 95 SuperFund Sites that are located on the historic Onondaga territory.

Most spiritual/religious leaders advocate that people consume clean and pure water. The only exception that comes to mind is Jim Jones, who urged his followers to consume a contaminated drink.

{3} Many Americans recognize the importance of science. Most scientist will say that clean , pure water is good for people to drink, and that filthy, contaminated water poses risks.

But there are some scientists who are employed by industry who put corporate interests before public safety. Some of my friends call these scienists "prostitutes." I have more respect for prostitutes, and prefer to think of them as Jim Jones' scientist. They believe that there are not only "acceptable levels" of contamination in your water, but they believe there are acceptable levels of disease and death in your community as a result of that contamination. The only way they differ from Jim Jones is they don't want to drink from your cup.

{4} Now let's look at the water supply in the USA. Most people are not aware of the extent of contamination in the water they use and consume every day. Most municipal water supplies have industrial wastes in them.

So, if you brushed your teeth, showered, and/or drank coffee today, you likely increased the amount of industrial wastes that are accumulating in your body. Let's look at two: PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls) and TCE (trichloroethylene).

Both PCBs and TCE accumulate in your body. Both are associated with a large variety of diseases, the types that people in your family and neighborhood might be suffering from, or may have died from. Also, the industrial wastes you consumed today may have an effect on your children's health, even those not yet born.

I think that we should consider the risks involved with these industrial wastes, rather than believing Jim Jones, PhD or Congressman Jim Jones when they assure us we are only consuming, becoming sick, and dying at "acceptable levels."

{5} PCBs, though no longer produced in the USA, are found at high levels in a neighborhood near you. You may be breathing them in the air; eating them in fish, meats, and dairy products; and drinking them in your water. If you live in the USA, you have a level of PCBs in your body that you might not find "acceptable."

PCBs cause cancer in animals, and are associated with increased risks in people. They cause a rash known as "chloracne." They irritate peoples' nose and throats; damage their reproductive and nervous systems; and damage people's livers.

{6} TCE is an industrial solvent, also found in adhesives, paint-removers, typewriter correction fluids, and spot removers.

TCE in small amounts will impair your heart functions; cause liver, kidney, and nerve damage. It is closely associated with upper respiratory illnesses and lowering your immune system. Larger doses will leave you unconscious, in a coma, or dead.

TCE exposure that results from the contamination in a municipal water supply causes cancers. The risks are increased for younger people.

{7} I worked for over 20 years with a small community group in Sidney Center, in Delaware County, NY, in an effort to get a site cleaned. Though it was really one large site, the federal government called it two SuperFund Sites (Sidney Center and Richardson Hill). The site has two lakes that form part of the NYC water shed.

On 6-28-66, a motorist tossed a cigarette butt into one lake. The lake burst into flames.

27 years later, in June '93, it rained for three days. On the third day, every fish and newt in the other lake died.

The proposed clean-ups ended up in federal court. Though Sidney Center is a remote spot, the case became famous for environmentalists, as it was the first test of the EPA's municipal solid waste policy. (See "Environmental Reporter"; Vol 30; No 6; pg 257; also see USA v Allied Signal & Amphenol// Allied et al v Sidney, Masonville, & Tompkins, NY; No 97-0436; 5-15 & 10-29-99)

{8} In Broome County, NY, several municipalities are fighting a similar battle with industries including IBM. Industries have polluted the land and water with thousands of gallons of PCBs and TCE. In the community of HillCrest a decade or so ago, there was a cluster of childhood leukemia; in Endicott, there is another similar cluster of cancer in teens.

The people from these communities have asked our help. The Bush administration is attempting to force the good public servants in the EPA to raise the "acceptable levels" of industrial contaminations in the land, water, and air.

In Sidney Center, we had the help of a number of great advocates, including Mark Sullivan, Karen Radner, and Robert Kennedy, Jr. In Endicott, Congressman Maurice Hinchey is helping the citizens.

But the Bush administration is trying to push a Jim Jones' agenda. The administration is trying to make decisions for you, without letting you know what is going on, much less having a say.

{9} Yesterday I posted a thread, with a petition from a coalition of environmental groups, allowing you to tell the EPA that you are against the changes in "acceptable levels" of TCE in your water.

Only 8 DUers took the 30 seconds needed to sign the petition. Please take a second to think about it: there is a clean glass and a filthy glass of water in front of you. If you don't chose, old Jim Jones will be chosing for you.

Please go to: http://www.rage-ny.org/ and click the "Sign Our Online Petition" and make your voice heard.

Thank you!
H2O Man

been determined to be unfit for stock animals. You would not believe the condition of the water in our little municipal system.

a NYS DOH human told one neighbor that he could safely drink his water, but not take hot showers. Human skin absorbs high levels of TCE from the steam from hot water. Didn't reassure anyone in the neighborhood!

about hot showers, from a site manager. your are more at risk by breathing in the steamy air.

My kids won't drink from drinking fountains... I AM the Choir.

We need to organize the DU Choir. (grin) And a-one, and a-two, and a-three ...

Like many others we switched to an RO unit many years ago. My question is, when water goes through an RO unit are the fluorides removed and how about chlorine? When i was younger it wasn't uncommon for people to have stained teeth, after the introduction of chlorine and fluorides that seemed to go away.

reading this will be able to answer it. I'm not really sure, and so it would be better for me to let someone who does know try to answer that.

I am lucky, as I live out in the country, and have a source of clean water.

of how reserve osmosis works.

http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/blrevosmosis.htm

I use Brita filters--so I get flouride but filter out contaminants somewhat--but I know I'm not filtering out TCE's or worse.

will not filter out this thread. We've seen that DU can influence a poll recently, when Rep. Hinchey's office asked our help in one about his comment that Karl Rove was behind the forged CBS documents. The Rove fans had about a 65% to 28% lead when the request was first posted; DUers turned it around fast.

DUers also lobbied an associate editor of the Binghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin to write an editorial supporting Hinckey; in the Sunday edition, there was a great editorial attacking Rove and supporting Hinchey.

This is something else we need to work on. By no small coincidence, the Binghamton P&S-B and Hinckey are advocating for the local citizens. This is another opportunity for DUers to make a difference.

I had made a small error, which is fixed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Could you post a direct link to the petition? I just don't see it there.

Great post by the way. A friend's mother just came into a small amount of cash that she was looking to invest. I have suggested that she invest in water. She had laughed at me the first few times that I have brought it up. I will keep hammering at her though. Not that I think she will invest her money there, but she will get the message about the dire situation that our water supply is in and will talk about it with her friends. Gets them thinking before they even realize it.

I have an R/O system as well on my well water, with an additional unit under the kitchen sink.

I would love to sign the petition, but I just can't find it. I didn't see your post yesterday, thanks for the repost and the nudge.

Sorry, I made an error typing it in. Hit a "." instead of an "-" between ny and org. I'll bet TCE has affected my eyesight!

First -- I think clean water is going to be *the* definitive resource those in power want to control, er, uh make money selling. I find it absurd that we have areas in the country which used to deliver natural sources of clean water and are now slowing converting to filtered and/or bottled water (how incredibly inefficient to use petroleum to port water around, but that's a different soapbox...)

Second -- the notion of acceptable levels. I believe this stems from a legitimate area of investigation which is what are "natural levels" of compounds found in <pick your substance>. This was intended to be a measure so we as scientists could determine if any *additional* compounds from non-natural sources were being added to the <pick your substance>. But in some twisted way, "acceptable levels for human health" replaced the natural levels metric, and this is now being used as justification for adding more compounds *above and beyond* natural background levels, with known or unknown long-term toxic affects to the environment we as humans must live in. Rationalizing adding toxic pollutants to the envirnoment at any level isn't a particularly smart strategy for survival.

Thanks for your post.

water is purposely being contaminated in order to corner the market and make it a commodity we'll all have to buy.

We're just watching it happen in slow-motion. Question is, who can keep our environment clean enough for clean water? If politicians are bought and sold on the open market by the corporate lobby and political donations to campaigns, we the people are going to end up paying 10 times the price per gallon for water which "meets acceptable levels for human consumption" as compared to the price we pay to get the same thing out of the tap today.

say the same thing.

People have become accustomed to BUYING water, and I'd only do that if I thought there was something wrong with the water. People assume that tap water is somehow "bad" for you.

I will add that PCBs and TCE are not known to occure naturally, so there isn't a natural level. (The US Dept of Health and Human Services' ATSDR sheets for PCBs and TCE state these do not occure in nature.)

There is a legitimate technical problem that can happen, you just can't build a sensor that can detect levels down to parts per billion, parts per trillion, or whatever level.

I wonder if pressure is sometimes put on instrumentation companies to not do research into more sensitive detectors, so those polluting can make the statement "below detectable levels".

How many parts per trillion of prions are we willing to ingest in beef?

If we can't detect it, it must not be there and thus pose no hazard, eh?

The ethics of those making decisions must be pure or the stuff we put in our mouths sure isn't going to be pure!

Science can be used or abused. In a very different field, I have had some experience with archaeological studies, hired by construction companies to "not find" anything significant. There are many ways to "not find," some more consciously poor science than others. Does the group doing the survey take the time to research all records available? Quite often, they do not. In theory, a person could do a survey of a modern cemetery, complete with trenches and test pits, and conclude that there are no burials there.

the next 'oil'.
and I or my children won't have shit to say about its sale.

Back in the mid 70s I lived near but not really 'close' to it (It's Ft. Gibson lake in eastern Oklahoma) and moved to Tampa in 1977 for business reasons. From that time up til around 1989 it had become contaminated with PCBs from an industrial area upstream and during that time it was actually dangerous (and from some sources I've heard, unlawful) to eat fish from this lake. I moved back to the area 9 years ago for personal reasons and love living "on the lake"...and they say (they?) that now it is safe to consume the fish, and we do, but not frequently...

Emailing buddies, too.

Thanks H2O Man.

You must be familiar with Rt 28?

Summer Camp in Andes for years and years, and couple at SUNY Delhi.

I love the area. It's the place I most felt home. Thanks for looking out.

in Delaware County. My office was in Hamden, near Delhi, but I covered the entire county. It's a beautiful area; I loved driving Route 28.

...perhaps you know Cabin Hill Road, Rt.2 (?), running between Andes and Delancey.

That was one of my favorites as is the stretch of 28 through Meredith.

out in that general area, past Delancey. Great area. I like the postcard .... looks like some I used in a book about the Irish contribution on the railroads of upstate NY.

That visual really brings the message home, protect our environment, protect our resources.

direct link to petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/RAGEORG/

I went to the site to sign, but the link to the petition doesn't seem to be active. In fact, none of the links are active. What am I doing wrong here?

:shrug:

Edit: fixed a silly punctuation error.

I signed and marked. In the morning, I'll figure a way to send it to the L.A. Greens. You know, us Green guys are all over this.

Water. It always comes down to the simplest needs.

Thanks again,
B.

Thank you very much. I think that the Green party has perhaps the most potential to rouse the American people on the environmental issues that affect us all. It truly goes beyond politics: in Robert's newest book, "Crimes Against Nature," he talks about the surprising amount of support that he gets from "rank & file" republicans. Clean water goes beyond politics, and one of the difficulties in being stuck in an "us vs them" political mind-set is that you can fail to access the support that environmental issues should have. I will say, of course, that it is republican-corporate issues that mischaracterize these issues.

More on water probs. This is an issue Barbara Boxer is dealing with in California too guys.

$242 Million reduction in the 2005 Federal Budget for Clean Water Mangement 1
Regulations lifted on dumping raw sewage into the system 1 2
Department Of Defense pushes to be exempt from EPA enforcement to clean up their messes 3
DOD responsible for poisonus jet fuel (perchlorate) contaminating water/milk/crops today 4
Administration strongarmed scientists to downplay health risks of perchlorate 5 6 8
Administration has a "pro perchlorate" "action group" 7



Related Links:

1 http://earthhopenetwork.net/Congress_Passes_2005_Budget.htm
2 http://www.americanrivers.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AMR_sewagedumping
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49443-2004Dec8.html?sub=AR
3 http://www.ewg.org/issues/perchlorate/20030715/index.php
http://www.ewg.org/issues/perchlorate/20030401/index.php
http://www.ewg.org/issues/perchlorate/20040420/index.php
4 Molly Ivins Jan 11, 2005 http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv
5 http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/050110b.asp
6 http://www.epa.gov/fedfac/documents/perchlorate.htm
7 http://www.councilonwaterquality.org
http://neonatal.ama.ttuhsc.edu/lact/html/perchlorate.html
8 http://www.waterconserve.info/articles/reader.asp?linkid=38011

And, isn't it about time that we object to being bankrupted and torn from our kids and poisoned by the Defense Department?

When did we become the hosts to this parasite?

Ike had it right.

We give them all the dollars they want, they're not accountable for any of them and as of today, they're poisoning our service people as well as Iraqis with depleted uranium.

Ready for our kids to come home and have deformed babies?

We used NAPALM in Falluja.

From here, it doesn't look like bible thumpers are the problem. They're just the window dressing, and have every right to thump away. Coldblooded defense contractors (including my Senator, Diane Fienstein) are the problem.

We have a choice right now. We can hold them accountable or we can kiss our @sses g'bye.

I know the Endicott group is working with similar groups in California and Colorado. This is something we all need to work together on. If the EPA can assist corporations in screwing people in Endicott or in Sidney Center, then it will be that much easier to screw people in Ohio, Florida, and Kansas. Everyone needs to make note of this issue.

It's a great example of one of the lessons that Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman taught me: alone, our enemies can break us like individual fingers; united, we form a powerful fist that protects all of our rights.

Pace/RiverKeeper and the NYC DEP had experienced some fights that caused the two to stop communicating. Mark Sullivan and I invited a DEP rep to come to Richardson Hill to see the 130 acres of highly toxic "land fill" that was openly seeping into the NYC water supply. While I know that this experience did not heal all the wounds between the two, it showed that the dedicated workers from government agencies long to have citizens step up to the plate, so that they can do the job they believe in. I found this with the EPA attorneys, and to a much lesser extent, with their scientists.

We "toured" the site on 10-19-97. Sullivan told a news reporter, "I think it's an atrocious site." Two days later, he wrote to me, "THe magnitude of this tragedy cannot be fully comprehended by simply studying .... legalistic EPA document(s) and therefore the site visit and my conversations with local folks were crucial to my understanding the scope of this problem." When an EPA official saw these articles in the local papers, and interviews with Sullivan, the DEP's Karen Radner, and myself on tv, she threatened to have us all arrested! (The Daily Star, Oneonta; 12-18-97) We all got a giggle out of the threat, but I practiced pulling my collar over my face for not: no arrests occured.

This is something that everyone in Brooklyn should take interest in. Although the clean-ups were begun, the Bush admnistration has let it stop in the beginning stages, for lack of funds/enforcement.

I moved into a very old house and just did not trust the quality of the pipes. Ironically it was not the quality of the water that bothered me at the time. It is one of those really good ones that is supposed to filter out/reduce chlorine, lead, mercury,asbestos, chlordane, PCBs, a whole list of VOCs. It has an alarm that lets you know to replace the filter after a certain number of gallons. I use it for every thing that I consume, incuding ice and cooking, of course, I also use it for the water that I give to my pets.
Thanks you so much for doing this. It is so important that people stop taking clean water for granted.

they are always thought provoking....

i signed your petition. the safety of our drinking water is of supreme importance, just like our air. i used to work of a couple of toxic subtance monitoring agencies and got an eyeful of info. it really hits home personally too, cause my home is located near a perchlorate plume, that is inching closer and closer.

any advice??

qualifies as "advice," but .... the neighborhood of Richardson Hill, located outside of the hamlet of Sidney Center, probably fit the definition of a vulnerable group. Many of the people living there were farmers, certainly educated in their line of work, but not a politically aware population. In fact, I think that the Vietnam War experience had made Sidney Center devastated: from a hamlet of 400 people, they lost 9 boys in the Vietnam War, most in a very short time span .... and then another 7 in DWI-related accidents in a 24 month period after the other deaths. So the Sidney Center that had approached me in the late 1970s was left without the men who might normally have taken a stand to advocate for the community.

I was willing to do what I could. But I wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. When in 1978, the NYS DEC reports indicated that they could not confirm that the military industrial plant (Scintilla, then Bendix) had dumped directly into the Sidney Center reservoir, and the neighbors had all watched them do you, I was stupid enough to swim out and dig through the silt, until I found scrap parts from the industry. Good evidence, bad method!

In time, I learned to contact those who were more capable than I. The EPA and industries do not expect people to organize, to endure the hard work needed to address a situation, or to access the technical assistance they will need. An EPA official laughed at me when I said I was going to ask Robert Kennedy to advise me on the case. She mocked me: "Oh, you know Bobby? Ha-ha-ha!" Well, just because I'm an upstate "woodchuck," doesn't mean I am helpless. Robert and Mark Sullivan were willing to help their "shanty" cousin from the hills.

Mark and Robert got us the services (at a tiny fraction of the cost) of Carpenter Environmental and Disposal Saety Inc, both top consultants. Thus, when one of the test wells showed contamination that was 81 times higher than considered "unsafe," and the industry dropped dynamite in it to destroy evidence, we had someone more respected within the larger system to document it. Or when the industry filled another test well in a "hot spot" with concrete, fully against an EPA order, our consultants documented it.

So my best advice to anyone would be to organize local people, and to reach out to the experts in these types of consulting firms. Create and sustain linkages with as many similar groups as possible. It takes an investment of time and effort to fight the good fight. I spent thousands of dollars that I really couldn't afford to, during the decades on this one situation. To give an idea how many hours I put in: in studying the "public record" in the local library, I found that page 100556 was issing. It was a letter from DHWR to the BEP, DFW. It showed a "cover-up" of important evidence that was useful to our consultants. My friends laughed because they couldn't imagine going through 100,556 pages of anything .... and the industries could on people not doing it.

I'm not sure if that "advice" is of any use.

:hi:

After looking a the page at the bottom of your post, it was a bit hard to find the petition link. Here it is: http://www.petitiononline.com/RAGEORG

Thank you for giving this opportunity to add our names to this important effort.

But ya know, just reading the wording there... this just so pisses me off, how We the People are given to humbly beg and plead and bow and curtsy; "Please, honorable and wonderful and wise taskmasters and slavedrivers, would it be ok if we asked nicely, once again, for like the millionth time, if you would PLEASE maybe look into trying not to poison us quite so bad every single day? I mean like, whenever you might find some free time, but no hurry or anything like that, it could be next year if you'd prefer, maybe?... please please PLEASE, sir?"
And ya know what too?... I wish I could be more hopeful, feel more like this will do anything at all, as many of you seem to feel... but I don't think they're listening. I think these murderers are WELL AWARE that they are murdering us.
This is madness. It's outta control.
Do we REALLY expect that the control boys are gonna bat an eyelash here?
Sorry, don't mind me... I'm just depressed...
I'm ALWAYS depressed... every fucking minute...
I mean, have you seen the latest?

For Immediate Release:
WHITE HOUSE TO BE PAINTED ENTIRELY BLACK!
http://www.presidentevilonline.com/scarynews.html

President Butch: "America
NEEDS a Total Makeover!"

"It's Time For a Change!"


"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."

Mu ultimate goal is not simply to organize people to go begging, hat in hand. My goal is to organize people to take control of the most basic of rights: clean water, air, and land.

Water-drinkers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lower but your TCE level! (smile) There are good and decent people -- though their numbers are decreasing with the toxic atmosphere of the Bush administration -- who want to do their job to the best of their abilities. We have the ability to reach them with our energy and if nothing else, these types of petitions help with that. But petitions alone does not "solve" the problems we face. It's merely a small first step.

I signed. Hope many others do too.

Julie

:kick:

are people such as yourself in my neighborhood(state)!

I appreciate your support on this!

:thumbsup:
God forbid the corporate media report on this. I'm old enough to remember the "Seal of Good Practice" that was shown at the end of every news broadcast:

So much for serving the citizens...:eyes:

since I was raised in a small mill town in the South where our tap water literally began to smell like the paper mill!

The enire area (several parishes) was finally cleaned up some years ago and it has made a world of difference. (My mother still lives in that small town and now drinks the tap water once again.) Of course, since the EPA doesn't seem to have as much authority as it once did (and unless things change for the better), I expect the water will be foul again within a couple of decades.

this administration will totally destroy the EPA.

Thanks for the info

:kick:

This from a June 15, 2003 article by Tom Wilbur in the Binghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin:

ENDICOTT-- It was excruciating beyond words or experience. Sarah Oxx was walking down the school corridor when her femur, brittle with cancer, broke in half.

"I fell down screaming and couldn't move," said Sarah, a 14-year-old village resident. "It was the worst pain, ever."

As she quietly recounts the ordeal, her eyes fall. But she holds her chin up and gamely attempts an occasional smile.

She has not suffered alone. At least five children living within a two-mile radius of Sarah's home on McKinley Avenue and Tracey Street, some only a few blocks from each other, have developed cancer.

and done, thanks :-)

From an interview with Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman (AHSKWA; Vol 16; Early Winter, 1997)

Q: In Corning, a few years back, we helped preserve some ancient stone monuments. One local fellow, a doctor, said he never thought about Indians before he came in contact with the monuments. Then he became obsessed. What happened?

A: There's something there, a force that communicates. Remember the glacial lake there? My ancestor's ancesors, the Ancient Ones, had ceremonies there. They were for the alligator and the turtle.

My people laid down and drank water from that lake, and the waer communicated a message from the Creaor. And that is what the monuments communicate, too, a message from the Creator.

You know, it's funny, even when I was a little boy, and I was on a farm, I remember I would lay on the ground and drink water from a spring. I would think about my name, Waterman. I knew that water was a message from the Creator when I was a little boy.

And so it makes me sad to think that the water is so dirty today. Little children can no longer lay on the ground and drink water from aspring, or lake. The people who have poisoned the water have cut little children off from the message of the Creator.

(13 strings of wampum/13 moons)

The whole year begins:
Look! There is snow on the ground.
Look! There are our tracks.
We walk a little farther ....
Look! The maple tree grows leaves.
The plants are planted.
The water runs from the top of the hills
it becomes medicine.

From Mid-Winter Ceremony

are also added. I bought a distiller (around $200.) and you would not believe the residue that's removed. It's brown in color and smells - I keep it in a bottle and show people. I believe that besides as a way to profitably disburse contaminants, the PTB have also found a way to to weaken people (that explains why Americans are not the brightest of peoples). Uh, duh, a lake that ignites might just be cause for concern!

Stop drinking polluted water. Stop using toothpastes that have more fluoride added. Sign this petition and start one in your area. Start doing your homework.

people to sign this. Please help. Thank you.

I'll go back to fighting the BFEE now.

Thanks Waterman! agin, ya done good.

-Hoot

the Good Fight!

to her list of 3,500.

This coalition thingy works pretty good. :hi:

I hope that this picks up!

and really, that's what people need to follow through.

:toast:

Beth

but just a little - I'm still plugging along with my letters, calls, etc.

But in this really negative environment, it's all too easy to lose track of our successes, of our coordinated efforts. It's not an easy task to bear negativity. It can wear you down.

Let's not let the opposition steal our fusion from us. Let's be aware of the barrage of downer messages being leveled at us. And try to shake them off. We can do that, together, I think.

Thank you, AnotherMother4Peace.

Beth

about water usage (she's a post-doc). If you go to this site:

http://www.re.ualberta.ca/People/Index.asp?Page=Directory&id=1226

and then google her name, you will come up with more interesting sites. To be honest they are WAY over my head. But you sound like you know what you're talking about. Just an FYI.

Brilliant post. Thank you.

we might be able to turn this thing around. Gonna be marchin' today - hope there's a huge showing - I'm marching in honor & support of our sons & daughters in the military - it's the least I can do for them, they are going through so much.

It's a beautiful day for a march .... I keep listening to George singing, "Here Comes the Sun." Thank you for helping with this petition, and I hope you have a great time marching today.

need all we can get

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to push this issue. I think that in the next day or so, I am going to start another thread, which will explain in greater detail how much of the water supply has been contaminated by TCE etc. This is not an issue that is only important to a few isolated communities

I signed the petition after reading the RAGE thread. This
one has been even more informative. The next one will probably bring even more to the table, I'm sure.

Water is the basis for life, and water is a much bigger issue than oil. Privatization of water is on the neocon agenda. And with news of the Cheyenne River Reservation in S.D. possibly running out of water it should be obvious to all that we must keep out water sources clean. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/20/national/20drought.html)

Water contamination and climate change may cause a much greater human crisis than peak oil. Anything we can do to support our water supplies is essential to our future as a species.

Thanks for encouraging folks to act, H20 Man.

We need to keep this kicked

http://www.sierrastar.com/past/03-15-02/031502hillview.html

EVERYONE here drinks bottled.

It's such a scam.

On edit: Maybe that's why my town is full of Bible-thumping freeptards. I should start drinking bottled water.

:tinfoilhat:

Hope no one doubts that the next big "war" is gonna be over water rights.

Good work H2O man... :)

I am reminded, especially during these days when Dr. Strangelove is rendered antiquated by the fact that BushPutinist Propaganda has now laundered into "conventional wisdom" every one of the absurdities in Dr. Strangelove, of the quotes

"I'm a water man, Jack. I drink a lot of water and you don't see me looking all rancid and clotted"
--Colonel Mandrake

"Did you know that fluoridation of water is the most monstrously coneived diabolical Communist Plot we face today?"
--Gen. Jack D. Ripper

:evilgrin: :hi: