Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Congress subpoenas BOTH Schiavos!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
chaz4jazz Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:37 PM
Original message
Congress subpoenas BOTH Schiavos!
<snip> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House of Representatives leaders on Friday issued subpoenas to prevent the withdrawal of a feeding tube from a brain-damaged Florida woman in a last-ditch bid to keep the woman alive. House leaders called on Terri Schaivo, the 41-year-old woman at the center of an emotional end-of-life case, and her husband Michael to appear before a House committee which they said will give her federal protections as a congressional witness. <snip>

I wish some wealthy person who sympathizes with Schiavo would spring for the costs to fly Terri up to the Congressional Hearing - with all her tubes and instruments keeping her alive, so they and the world could see her as she "lives." Michael could then ask them to please have a close-up camera on her eyelids and then tell DeLay and the rest of them to ask her any question. They could then watch her "response" to the questions on their TV monitors.

I mean, if they have the gall to subpoena her - a grandstand ploy if ever there was one - they should have to face the issue square on.







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. What??? This is a joke, right?
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Nope! No joke at all!
They subpoenaed to block the court's action to remove the feeding tube. If she's to appear before Congress, she's protected as a federal witness and there ain't nothing that can be done about it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #6
17. Congress is the joke!
1500 American dead

A falling currency

Out of control budget deficits

Skilled jobs being exported

And they spend their time on THIS! (and steroid use in baseball?)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
2. Since when did Congress become the Judicial Branch?
Is this not a Supreme Court issue and not something for Congress to worry about?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. The Supreme Court already ruled
and said yank the tube.

Yes, the same religiously insane Supreme court that instilled the Chimperor in the first place recognizes when an animated corpse is being kept alive by artificial means.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
19. The Supremes did no such thing.
They refused to hear the case.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Which was the right move Constitutionally...
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 01:29 PM by Emboldened Chimp
This is a state issue. The Feds have NO BUSINESS subverting Florida law.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. Absolutely it was the right thing for them to do.
That's why I didn't want it to go out of context that they had ordered the tube to be removed.

What I'm wondering now is if some Federal court will take it upon themselves to override Judge Greer based on the Federal subpoena from Congress. I guess time will tell on that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Remember what happened the last time the Feds subverted state law
. . . in Florida, no less.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Dupe
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 03:59 PM by Jack Rabbit
!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
27. Rejecting an appeal is a ruling
When an appeal is rejected, the ruling is the same as the lower court's ruling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
3. They had to subpoena someone who their intellectual equal...
...so they could fully understand the situation.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
4. WTF??? This is insane!
Since when they become DOCTOR'S??? :wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
14. Ah I get it now
They're going to fly in "professionals" who will make their cases and then they'll all say "keep her a live." All they want is a victory since nothing else is working out for them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spunky Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
5. This stuff is getting insane. Why don't they just make Christianity
the official religion of the US, re-write all the laws so that they are based on Christian values and get it over with?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
7. OK people! 1-877-SOB-U-SOB
Toll free number to switchboard. Ask for your congressional senators and representatives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. Is that the real number?
SOB? LOL. Sorry. I find that really funny.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. Yup! It really is!
Someone at the phone company had an award-winning sense of humor! LOL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:48 PM
Response to Original message
8. The Link
Please click here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
9. They can't legislate on a case by case, with personal interest, basis.
Why is this allowed to happen? :shrug: WTF
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. Yes, they can
Of course, they shouldn't and won't.

The fact that they're taking this route instead of proposing legislation that would take the decision out of the hands of not just Mr. Schiavo but anybody in a similar situation shows that the GOP right is just grandstanding. That legislation would never pass and they know it. Instead, they use a tactic aimed at one individual in Florida to show how righteous they are.

The demagogues are playing to the rabble. Nothing else is happening here.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. They can only bring about laws to affect society as a whole, not to
affect one person...one case. They can use a case as a springboard, but that's it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. No, they do this all the time
For example, one of the first uses of a presidential line-item veto was on just such a law. Congress had passed an appropriations bill that contained a special tax break for one Harold Simmons, a Texas businessman and GOP contributor.

Other pieces of special legislation might wave a waiting period for an immigrant with a particular case to become a citizen. Usually, it involves a case that is unique and would otherwise slip through a judicial crack. Of course, having congressional connections helps if one needs this kind of thing.

The problem with this is that there is nothing particularly unique about the Schiavo case. There are a lot of people who are being kept alive by extraorinary measures who can't make a decision themselves; most of the time, their families are able to make the descision whether or not to pull the plug without government interference.

If the holy rollers in Congress want to prppose legislation regulating what I think ought to be a private decision in these circumstances, let them. They have every right to do so. This, however, is an abuse of congressional power. The very fact that they are making a special case out of this demonstrates that the law as it now stands is against them. Unless they are ready to pass legislation in each individual case where the plug might be pulled, they should respect Mr. Schiavo's right to make the decision.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
10. Talk about work avoidance
They should be working on fixing our economy, election reform, a plan for getting out of Iraq, dealing with the health care cisis, and a million other things.

Instead they are wasting time on this issue.

The woman is brain dead.

The representatives that are carrying on about this should be recalled and replaced with someone who realizes what it means to represent their constituency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
30. Maybe they just want to keep this in the news so
it drowns out all the bad news. Remember
they control the media.


:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:50 PM
Response to Original message
11. Does anybody else feel like...
...this case has turned into an episode of South Park?

I'm not trying to joke here. It's just become THAT absurd.

Matt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 12:53 PM
Response to Original message
13. The Imperial Party has to do SOMETHING to fill the time
After all, considering they are not permitted to look into any dealings by our Noble and Godly Leader, they have to fill up their committees with some bullshit to make it look like they are doing something.

We would be better off, I think, by shipping these Worthless Toads off to Communists China, where there job description would remain the same but they would have to switch the Leader who's boots they lick.

Could we be any worse off with the Chinese Congress of People's Deputies kissing The Noble and Godly Leader's feet than OUR Cowardly Bootlickers?

I scarcely think we'd notice the difference.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. Teri Schiavo gives the MSM something else to talk about
instead of Bush's lies about Iraq, then and now; torture in Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram; any real discussion about Social Security; how the Clinton budget surplus became the Bush budget deficit; issues surrounding e-Voting; or political and corproate manipulation of the media.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #13
23. More Time Delaying Circuses
I posted this elsewhere...here's the game I expect.

Of course someone will run to court to block this appearance...off we go to Federal Court. My bets it goes to the Southern District...the same one from Gore 2000...that will punt this up to the Supremes...who, as someone stated earlier, won't touch this hot potato.

This is take time and create news and noise that will be used on hate radio and TV food fights...then exploited for donations and another shakedown of the fundies and their horde. It's just a time killer and for a corporate media whore like CNNServative, cheap, easy red state programming.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
20. This Is Outrageous!
Let us have respect for people who are "Pro-Life" and do not believe in euthenasia or allowing her tube to be removed. But for Congress to resort to such underhanded tactics, to subvert the judiciary and the balance of power, to pander to a small group of extremists.

Regardless of whether you think their motive or intent is good or not, this is a despicable way of achieving their goal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 03:30 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC