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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:50 PM
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EPA/FDA saying women/children should not eat many types of FISH !!!
Posted on Fri, Mar. 18, 2005

Power plants and mercury

Rule change puts babies in the womb at risk

MICHELLE BIRCH SINN AND JEROME A. PAULSON


There is growing concern that babies in the womb are very susceptible to harm from exposure to mercury. Children who are born to women with high mercury levels face an increased risk of cognitive and developmental damage.

In the United States, coal-burning power plants are the largest man-made source of mercury to our air. Mercury enters the food chain when it falls back to earth with rain and is converted to toxic methyl mercury by natural processes in our waterways. There fish ingest the toxic methyl mercury and it makes its way onto the dinner table. The Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration now recommend women of childbearing age, pregnant women, breastfeeding women and children under 15 not consume many types of fish due to their high mercury content. Such limits greatly undermine efforts to fight obesity and cardiovascular disease.

In 2000, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention performed a study that looked at blood samples from more than 2,000 women aged 16 to 49. It found that 8 percent of the women had mercury blood levels exceeding the level the EPA deemed safe for unborn children. More recent research concluded that unborn children have much higher levels of mercury in their blood than their mothers do.

New evidence shows air pollution can also cause genetic damage to unborn children. A groundbreaking study found babies in the womb can potentially be harmed by exposure to air pollution from power plants, motor vehicles and other sources. Babies whose mothers were exposed to higher levels of air pollution were found susceptible to the kind of genetic damage other studies have linked to cancer.<more>


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/opinion/11166832.htm


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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:52 PM
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1. I want to know how young women contemplating pregnancy can
protect against or cleanse (?) mercury in their bods.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:59 PM
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5. There are various sites...
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:56 PM
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18. thanks
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:05 PM
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9. One important thing
is to not add more .... No tuna at all for females who are (or will possible be) considering getting pregnancy. It is simply not safe, nor worth the risks.

Great Lakes fish, and in fact any in NYS waterways, is "rated" by the state; anyone who reads the fishermen's guides/maps when they get a license knows that there are very few places to catch fish that have a safety level of one meal per month for a healthy adult.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:57 PM
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19. thankyou!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:06 PM
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10. YOU CAN SEND AWAY FOR A MERCURY TEST KIT....
Chelation is supposed to be able to rid the body of heavy metal toxins. I will find links for that.

http://www.greenpeaceusa.org/features/details?item_id=5...

BUSHGREENWATCH
Tracking the Bush Administration's Environmental Misdeeds
http://www.bushgreenwatch.org
***************************************

March 16, 2005

NEW EPA MERCURY RULE CALLED ILLEGAL

With the long-awaited release yesterday of its new rules for
reducing mercury pollution, the Environmental Protection Agency
set off a firestorm of protest and controversy that is certain
to wind up in the courts.

As expected, EPA announced new rules that would reduce mercury
emissions from coal-fired power plants 20 percent by 2010, with
a goal of 70 percent reduction by 2018. Environmental health and
other groups assert that greater reductions could be achieved
much more rapidly, and that EPA's decision will endanger the
health of hundreds of thousands of newborn babies.

Mercury is known to harm the brain and nervous system,
especially in infants. It can cause learning disabilities,
attention deficit disorder and mental retardation. One in six
U.S. women of child-bearing age is reported to have enough
mercury in her blood to put a developing fetus at risk. <1> The
primary means of exposure is through consumption of certain
species of deep ocean fish, such as tuna and pollock.

The Bush Administration is proposing a "cap and trade" system,
whereby a national limit on mercury emissions would be set, but
in which individual power plants could trade emissions credits.
This would mean some states would achieve reductions in mercury
pollution while others would actually experience an increase.

John Walke, director of the air pollution program at the Natural
Resources Defense Council, said this would result in enormous
increases in mercury emissions in certain states. For example,
an increase of 841% in California; 176% in Colorado; 241% in New
Hampshire; and 56% in New Jersey. <2>

Martha Keating, a former mercury expert at EPA who is now a
senior scientist at the Clean Air Task Force, joined others in
saying that proper enforcement of the current Clean Air Act
would be far more effective than the new mercury rule. "If the
Clean Air Act was implemented as it should be, we would get
significant reductions of mercury, upwards of 90 percent," she
said on National Public Radio. "So in our mind is
a rollback." <3>

"It is unconscionable EPA is allowing power companies to trade
in a powerful neurotoxin--it is unprecedented and illegal," said
William S. Becker, executive director of the bipartisan State
and Territorial Air Pollution Program Administrators. <4> Becker
also heads the Association of Local Air Pollution Control
Officials.

Recent criticism both by the EPA's own inspector general and by
the non-partisan Government Accountability Office alleged that
EPA ignored scientific evidence in developing its mercury rule,
and called for further analyses. A Washington Post article said
Agency staff charged that Bush Administration political
operatives set the framework of the rule in advance, to support
industry's claim that installing the newest air pollution
control technology would be too expensive. <5>

Because mercury pollution of the oceans is a global problem, the
UN Environmental Programme held an international meeting in
Nairobi last month in an attempt to set in motion a plan to
reduce the trade, mining and emission of mercury. The European
Union has already decided to phase out mercury-cell chlorine
production and close the largest mercury mine in Europe (located
in Spain).

But U.S. officials blocked any concrete actions, instead calling
for self-regulation, more studies, more discussion. Noting that
the EPA has defended its new rule by saying mercury pollution is
a global problem and therefore tighter controls on U.S.
coal-fired power plants wouldn't solve it, Michael Bender of the
Ban Mercury Working Group--a coalition of 27 public interest
groups from several nations--said "The Administration is talking
out of both sides of its mouth. Today they are saying the only
way to solve the U.S. mercury problem is through international
action. Yet three weeks ago they hijacked the process and
blocked development of a global strategy."


###

SOURCES:
<1> CleartheAir.org fact sheet,
http://ga3.org/ct/qdzACmM1ez3I /.
<2> "Critics Say EPA Mercury Rule Rolls Back Protections," NPR,
Mar, 15, 2005, http://ga3.org/ct/q7zACmM1ez37 /.
<3> Ibid.
<4> "Mercury Emissions to be Traded," Washington Post, Mar. 15,
2005, http://ga3.org/ct/qpzACmM1ez3u /.
<5> Ibid.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:38 PM
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16. Info about Heavy metal Detoxification
the use of chelation therapy for

If you do a google using "mercury toxicity, glutathione, chelation" you can get lots of hits.

http://curezone.com/blogs/m.asp?f=86&i=1


Glutathione protects against mercury toxicity.

Glutathione (USH)
Glutathione is an important antioxidant amino acid which protects against mercury toxicity. Glutathione is a tripeptide, made from the combination of three amino acids; L-glycine, L-glutaniic acid, and L-cysteine. Studies have shown that GSH levels are decreased during cases of mercury toxicity. It is interesting to note that GSH deficiency resulting from genetic errors mimic the acute mercury toxicity effects of Minamata disease. Without adequate OSH, mercury from the environment cannot be detoxified and eliminated.
http://www.nzhealth.net.nz/poisons/mercury2.shtml



DMSA has three distinct disadvantages relative to DMPS.

First, DMPS appears to remain in the body for a longer time than DMSA.83

Secondly, DMPS acts more quickly than DMSA, probably because its distribution is both intracellular and extracellular.84

Thirdly, preparations of DMPS are available for intravenous or intramuscular use, while DMSA is available only in oral form.85 Since succinic acid is used in the citric acid cycle inside the cell, DMSA has been suspected for displacing mercury towards the inside of the cell86 after binding mercury somewhere on its way from the intestine to the succinic acid deficient cell.

We propose therefore that DMSA be used late in the mercury elimination process, after the connective tissue mercury load has been reduced with DMPS. The standard dose of DMSA is 5-10 mg/kg twice a day for two weeks. The DMSA is then stopped for two weeks and then the cycle is repeated.

Chlorella

Algae and other aquatic plants possess the capacity to take up toxic trace metals from their environment, resulting in an internal concentration greater than those of the surrounding waters.87 This property has been exploited as a means for treating industrial effluent containing metals before they are discharged, and to recover the bioavailable fraction of the metal.88

Chlorella has been shown to develop resistance to cadmium contaminated waters by synthesizing metal-binding proteins.89 A book written for the mining industry, Biosorption of Heavy Metals,90 details how miners use these organisms to increase the yield of precious metals in old mines. The mucopolysaccharides in chlorella's cell wall absorb rather large amounts of toxic metals similar to an ion exchange resin.

Chlorella also enhances mobilization of mercury compartmentalized in non-neurologic structures such as the gut wall,91 muscles, ligaments, connective tissue, and bone.

High doses of chlorella have been found to be very effective in Germany for mercury elimination.92

Chlorella is an important part of the systemic mercury elimination program, as approximately 90% of the mercury is eliminated through the stool. Using large doses of chlorella facilitates fecal mercury excretion. After the intestinal mercury burden is lowered, mercury will more readily migrate into the intestine from other body tissues from where chlorella will effectively remove it.

Chlorella is not tolerated by about one-third of people due to gastrointestinal distress. Chitosan can be effectively used as an alternative in these individuals. Chitosan makes up most of the hull of insects shellfish and also bind metals like mercury from the lumen of the intestines.93 94 95

Cilantro

Omura determined that cilantro could mobilize mercury and other toxic metals rapidly from the CNS.96 97

Cilantro mobilizes mercury, aluminum, lead and tin stored in the brain and in the spinal cord and moves it into the connective tissues. The mobilized mercury appears to be either excreted via the stool, the urine, or translocated into more peripheral tissues.

The mechanism of action is unknown. Cilantro alone often does not remove mercury from the body; it often only displaces the metals form intracellularly or from deeper body stores to more superficial structures, from where it can be easier removed with the previously described agents. The use of cilantro with DMSA or DMPS has produced an increase in motor nerve function.98

Potentiating Agents

Adequate sulfur stores are necessary to facilitate mercury's binding to sulfhydryl groups.

Many individual's sulfur stores are greatly depleted which impairs sulfur containing chelating or complexing agents, such as DMPS or DMSA, effectiveness as they are metabolized and utilized as a source of sulfur. Sulfur containing natural substances, like garlic99 100 and MSM (methylsulfonylmethane) may also serve as an effective agent to supply organic sulfur for detoxification.101 Fresh garlic is preferred as it has many other recently documented benefits.102 103 104 The garlic is consumed just below the threshold of social unacceptability, which is typically 1-2 cloves per day.

Antioxidants

Vitamin E doses of 400 I.U per day have been shown to have a protective effect when the brain is exposed to methyl-mercury.68 105 Selenium, 200-400 mcg daily,106 107 108 109 is a particularly important trace mineral in mercury elimination and should be used for most patients.

Selenium facilitates the function of glutathione, which is also important in mercury detoxification.110 111 112 Some clinicians find repetitive high dose intravenous glutathione useful, especially in neurologically compromised patients.

There is a suggestion in a rat model that lipoic acid may also be useful,113 but some clinicians are concerned about the potential of lipoic acid to bring mercury into the brain early in the stages of chelation, similar to DMSA and N-acetylcysteine (NAC), which has also been used in mercury chelation.114 Doses larger than 50-100 mg per day should be used with caution.

Vitamin C is also a helpful supplement for mercury elimination as it will tend to mobilize mercury from intracellular stores

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm

A site with info about Mercury detox
http://www.homemakingcottage.com/health/mercury_detoxification.htm

another iste with Q&A about Mercury, Autism and Chelation
http://www.geocities.com/autism_mercury/faq.htm



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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:55 PM
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17. Do you know anyone/have you tried any of these things?
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:01 PM
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20. thanks for all of your research and info - the one and only thing I
do for metal toxicity is take a supplement that supports the liver - so it can clear heavy metal toxins and all kinds of other stuff more efficiently... but in trying to discuss this topic with my daughters, I don't know what to tell them except to be knowledgeable and very careful before they get pregnant (and to steer clear of fish).

Thanks again !

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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:26 PM
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24. There's a list of the best and worst fish to eat here:
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 05:27 PM by wildflower
http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst

Based on mercury, PCBs, etc.

You can find more info by clicking in the lefthand menu on the page.

ON EDIT: This "Consumption Advisory" page has a chart showing how many meals of each fish you can eat per month, divided up into women, men, young children and older children:

http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=healthalerts

-wildflower
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:54 PM
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2. When I was pregnant
I was told not to eat any fish from the great lakes.

I still wont eat any. If it was bad for me when I was pregnant I don't think its good for me now.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:02 PM
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8. This warning goes way beyond that
It seems that they must be responding in part to the autism epidemic - but didn't address it directly. And yet it was still vague - the article.



Seems like I've heard the tuna industry may fight against warnings.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:56 PM
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3. They didn't mention vaccines
but that doesn't mean vaccines are not an issue as well.

Please note that there are provisions in the:

"Protecting America in the War on Terror Act of 2005"

to protect pharmaceutical companies liability and limit public info of vaccination complications.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3290815&mesg_id=3290815&page=


(I thought the fish news deserved it's own thread though - just as an alert).
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:05 PM
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21. Vaccines are a big issue
I looked into this when I found out that my son has Autism. Apparently they have been using a mercury based preservative called Thimerasol in childrens vaccines for years now and it has increased the number of Autism cases by like 1000%. Of course Thimerasol was banned on use for animals in the early 90's but they kept giving to the kids...
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 03:07 PM
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22. Mercury in vaccines is different...
at least according to the WHO:

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics/thiomersal/statement200308/en/

Ethyl mercury is apparently easily excreted by the the body, unlike methyl mercury, which is what's in the fish.

What's in the fish is uncontroversially bad; what's going on with vaccines is *rather* controversial.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:57 PM
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4. A poison planet, a poison nation
and a gang of oilpigs gung-ho for more
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:00 PM
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6. These reports also beg the questions about COMBINATIONS of pollutants
in the human body. They always talk about one poison separate from all of the others we live around.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:02 PM
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7. Another thread that deals with Mercury and its threat to children and
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:07 PM
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11. I didn't realize this was a new issue
We've been told not to eat fish caught in the Ohio River for years.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:12 PM
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13. I was assuming they might be referring to many more types
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 02:21 PM by bloom
but it is all pretty vague.

On edit:

I think the article was basically a response to the new air pollution/mercury restrictions - you're right - nothing really new about fish.

It continues:

"These facts ought to influence our decisions to contain pollution. We need stronger restrictions on power plants and other sources. The Bush Administration's ongoing attempts to weaken laws controlling soot, smog and mercury pollution are disturbing. The new federal rule announced Tuesday allows coal-fired power plants to release three times more mercury than is achievable through strong enforcement of the Clean Air Act.

Lawmakers should abandon efforts to weaken our protections and instead strengthen the laws. The impact of their decisions will be felt by all of us, but as the research shows, it will be felt most by those who are not yet born."
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:11 PM
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12. Let's not forget all those damn silver dental fillings! When will there be
a ban on producing and using all toxic materials? Anything inroduced into the environment eventually ends up everywhere in in every living thing.

Been a vegetarian my whole life and the list of reasons for doing so grows by the minute.

Yes, lots of information linking mercury, fish, vaccines to autism.

Can we please create non-harmful solar power plants...please!! OOOh I forgot, gotta keep paying to support the evil oil empire.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:14 PM
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14. I ate fish when I was expecting my youngest
I don't know what it was, though--some kind of frozen filets in a bag from Sam's. I thought I was doing the right thing. I also drank a lot of water from our neighbors well instead of my usual soda. I was just trying to be healthy. I wonder if the water was polluted by the nearby paper mill? My son does have autism and the older two do not.

Those are the main differences between my pregnancies: location and all the fish.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:29 PM
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15. I don't think one thing of fish would make the difference.
(Unless it was a REALLY saturated fish !!!! I don't know if that is possible)

Did you see this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3290815&mesg_id=3290815


I tried to post a lot of sources... I just found out about the possible RhoGam link that would affect 2nd (or later) children.


Even without the RhoGam possibility - some kids are going to be more susceptible - disposed to getting it.

And I don't think this is something mothers should feel guilty about. MAD maybe - at all of the industries polluting (including the pharmaceutical industries polluting the vaccines).
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:16 PM
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23. I had RhoGam, too
But not while pregnant. I had it about 8 months earlier after my middle child, and of course after my first child, but that was long ago.

I just wish we knew. My childbearing days are over, but I worry so about the future.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:33 PM
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25. I can't remember when it was that I had it
- RhoGam. It was too long ago. It didn't seem like it was while I was pregnant.


I worry about future grandkids as well. Part of why I'm paying attention.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 05:43 PM
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26. givin' it a kick
I have not been successful in getting this information in front of people I care about. They simply refuse to accept that the mercury in fish can be harmful. It is most frustrating. A slim waistline trumps all, I guess.
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