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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:55 PM
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"Terry should be in God's hands, not the Congress!"
Here's what should be out there in this case. The perfect argument to the religious right and Tom DeLay's 'saving a life'.

"Terry should be in God's hands, not the Congress!"

If God decides to continue Terry's life on this Earth without tubes and contraptions, He will make it so. It's up to God whether or not to call her home with Him.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:57 PM
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1. not a good arguement to make
frankly, I believe that God has no problem with medical care, otherwise I'd better join that Christian Scientist place down the street. What is to stop the same arguement from being used against someone who needs a transplant? If god wants you to live, you'll live.

why have any medical care at all? if it's god's will, then we'll get better.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:04 PM
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5. that's a bit different
If your life can be saved with surgery, I don't think anyone has a problem with that. If you're being kept alive with your only hope of ever waking up is that someone will invent a new surgery, that's where it's getting ridiculous. Why don't all cancer patient be kept in a deep freeze so they can be thawed out when there's a cure?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:11 PM
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9. Beat me to it (and well said!)
Keeping the feeding tube will not improve Terry Shiavo's quality of life. There is no medical care currently know that will improve her quality of life.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:47 PM
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14. that's not the arguement that was made
and actually, there are people who have a problem with surgery.

At no time should God enter into this discussion at all. God and health care should not be discussed together, because it really isn't that far of a step from Terry Shiavo being in God's hands to little timmy after being hit by a truck.

Maybe god's way of keeping Terry Schiavo alive is via feeding tube? the lord works in mysterious ways, there is no way for us to know his intentions.

and finally, you're dealing with fundy whackjobs, don't apply your logic to them.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 01:58 PM
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2. yes
I can't believe no repubs are picking up on that. No one will stand up to Tom Delay is the problem. I know alot of conservative-go to church every Sunday republicans that feel she should be allowed to die.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:01 PM
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3. I like this one better
Remember the recent debate about gay marriage and the sanctity of the bond between husband and wife? Nearly all of those now trying to push their views forward about what should be done with Terri Schiavo told us that marriage is a sacred trust between a man and a woman. Well, if that is what marriage means then it is very clear who should be making the medical decisions for Terri — her husband.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:13 PM
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10. The only problem is
the same people that made the marriage sanctity argument are the same ones that have made her husband out to be a liar, adulterer, and wannabe murderer.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:57 PM
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16. I would hate to be Mike Shivo
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 02:58 PM by TheFarseer
(for a number of reasons) but He's going to get his name drug through the mud before this is all over. Rush is having callers on spouting wacko conspiracy theories and he's sitting back and letting out an occasional, "Now wait a second there" "let's not get carried away" but he let's them keep talking and putting that line of thought in people's minds. Pretty soon, it's going to be given as fact on Fox News etc. that he's an adulterer and hatched a conspiracy to kill his wife. Well, maybe not, but it's not so far fetched.

remember, if you can't have your way, smear and vilify the guy that's in your way.
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SwedeinLA Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:04 PM
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4. The glass is half full....
If DeLay feels he has to stooop to parading around a comatose blob (sorry Terri - but you'll know this better than us) in order to distract attantion away from his ever increasing negative press - he must be really worried that the truth about his Texas schenanigans is near to coming out. Thanks Terri - God has a reason after all (sorry it took 15 years on the tubes).
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:06 PM
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6. Tom Delay is whoring this up on CNN now!
He couldnt give a shit about Terri Schaivo. He's pandering again!
I HATE that man!
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:07 PM
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7. If she is not being kept alive, as DeLay argues,
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 02:07 PM by elperromagico
then the removal of the feeding tube shouldn't make a difference...

Isn't that logical? I feel cold-blooded saying it, but isn't that logical?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:09 PM
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8. let the GOP depravity speak for itself
I think even people that want Schaivo to live will be disgusted by the antics of Delay, etc.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:15 PM
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13. That other case some time ago...I think her
name was Karen was taken off the tubes and allowed to die. She lived for a relatively long time after the tubes were removed. Which is to say take the tubes out of Terry and let nature take it's course. At one time, it may have been a wise decision to put the tubes in, but as her brain deteriorated instead of getting better, it no longer was a wise medical decision to keep the tubes. Congress and the courts should stay out of a decision that should be made by her husband and the doctors.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:13 PM
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11. Those who want to parade Terry's body around like "Exhibit A"
in order to get a few votes and advance their own morally superior attitude are despicable.

They have stripped this woman of her dignity.

I don't know who is more demented -- her parents or DeLay.

She was legally married. Her husband's decision should have been respected.

Further, she has been examined by the country's top neurologists with expertise in vegetative states. The healers believe it's in the best interest of the patient to take her off life support. Judges have weighed this from legal and ethical standpoints.

And still Mr. Ethical -- Tom DeLay -- believes he is the best judge of what should happen to Terry.

Unbelievable.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:14 PM
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12. As a caller on AAR said this AM..."100 years ago this wouldn't have
been an issue". Why did we make it one when there was no chance for this woman to survive on her own?
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-18-05 02:50 PM
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15. Freepers In Meltdown Over It
Edited on Fri Mar-18-05 02:52 PM by GiovanniC
I feel bad for them, almost, because of quotes like, "(R)ight to life isn't going to lose. God is still in control."

When Terri's wishes are FINALLY fulfilled, will these people actually forsake their God? I don't think they should be hitching God's wagon to this star.

They are so upset... "Where are the checks and balances?" they cry. They want a showdown. They want marshalls and the National Guard to go in. They want people outside the hospice to storm it. These people remain as insane as they ever were.
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