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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:09 PM
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The perfect Terrorist attack
Link: http://www.rense.com/general63/TWIN.HTM

Snip: <Our own U.S. Army devised a plan commissioned by Congress to bring down the WTC using commercial airliners and box cutters as weapons.

The laundry list of terrorist warnings handed to the Bush administration prior to 9/11 makes the President and others look like "bumbling idiots or a bunch of conniving criminals" responsible for the mass murders at the Twin Towers and in Afghanistan and Iraq.

These are the harsh words of Timothy McNiven, an outspoken critic of the President's handling of 9/11 and a 29-year U.S. Defense Department operative still under contract with the government.

He says not only did the Bush administration purposely ignore Al Q'aida in the months preceding the WTC attacks, but the situation is even more disturbing, considering his military unit way back in 1976 devised a mock terrorist attack of the Twin Towers exactly like what occurred on 9/11. >

Snip: <The publicized version of the study, commissioned by Congress, was to identify security lapses and submit corrective measures to lawmakers. However, McNiven claims the real purpose of the study was to brainstorm how to pull off the perfect terrorist attack using the exact same 9/11 scenario.

The study, commissioned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army, stationed in Strassburg, Germany in 1976, specifically devised the scenario of the Twin Towers being leveled by Middle Eastern terrorists using commercial airliners and even plastic box cutters to bypass security.

To silence critics, McNiven has successfully passed a credible lie detector test regarding his participation in the study as well as other specific orders given to him by his superiors in case of a real attack on the Twin Towers. >

Last snip: <McNiven said he has been unable to contact Lt. Teague, but was interested in his opinion now that "the 9/11 attacks happened the way we planned them in 1976."

"I remember Lt. Teague changed the scenario of the supposed study from a 100 story building to the Twin Towers," recalled McNiven, emphasizing that Lt. Teague was acting on specific orders from unknown superiors.

"He then said he thought it was very strange to be asked to devise a plan to blow up your own home town. But as I watched the Twin Towers really collapse on the morning of September 11th, I realized I was watching the very same thing we devised in the 1976." >
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:16 PM
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1. Rense.com has no gravitas
This site is a farce. It's far-fetched stories almost never has any verification and it is joke. The story sounds interesting but I just don't trust the source.

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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:25 PM
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3. I am with you.
Considering the sum total of the "information" presented there, you would need all the heavy construction equipment ever made to dig through the horseshit to find the pony.

Frankly, just the regular inclusion of Sheman Skolnick's writings causes a 98% drop in the credibility quotient for that site. Ol' Sherm is crazier than a shithouse mouse.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:04 PM
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10. Likewise.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 11:05 PM by Mike Niendorff
From what I've seen, rense.com has about as much credibility as Art Bell. If this guy has a legitimate case, he shouldn't have to resort to the internet equivalent of the Weekly World News to promote it.


MDN
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:27 PM
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4. Whether it's on rense or not
check the facts. I've found some things I thought could not be true there also, until I followed up on their listed source. I was shocked.

Do you think the gov did not LIHOP or MIHOP? Have you gone to the family websites of the victims? Watch original video from that day from the Pentagon, no plane, nice lawn.



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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:20 PM
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2. The evidence mounts , there obviously is a conspiracy
not just a theory and these warpigs keep getting away with more and more, every day it seems.

I can hardly contain myself waiting for the Terror Games of 2005 on April 4 - 6!!! It won't happen on those days, we'll have the anticipation of waiting for several days to possibly a couple weeks afterward before we notice the illness happening in NJ. Then watch it spread..

Thank you for the thread FreedomA.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:31 PM
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5. Sure
I saw it and wanted to see what other people said here. It is strange and I'm not saying he's telling the truth cause only he knows and all that. I think it is telling about the Pentagon and how the grass was perfect, how they NEVER show video's and just a few photos of the "plane crash." Also Bush didn't even want a 9/11 comission to look into it. And we know for sure that Bush ignored information Clinton left him, the Bush camp ignored Richard Clarke and all the strange stuff with FAA. A few days before the attack happened they put a new guy on. It's really telling also how the Bush administration keeps information from us. If it really was Usama BinLaden and Al-Quida wouldn't they have released everything? Wouldn't we see photos from the Pentagon and the other plane? Why was Cheney hiding in the basement instead of taking some sort of leadership role? Too many unanswered question's and then PNAC.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:38 PM
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8. I don't understand how some are so quick to discount
any information coming out about the Lunatic. After I researched MK Ultra, my flesh crawls thinking that if those are the things our gov has admitted to, what the hell haven't they told us.

I learned long ago that intellectual snobbishness can sometimes cause you to miss some important info. It runs rampant some days.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:32 PM
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6. So will this man reveal who else was on his military team?
1976? How old were they? Are they retired now or big jefes in the Pentagon? Can they talk?

Let's hear more, before we say no.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:36 PM
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7. Three and a half years....
and that's the best he could come up with?
-Make7
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:50 PM
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9. I think that of all the intersting things on the internet, one of the most
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 10:51 PM by higher class
interesting is right here on DU. It occurs when someone posts/links something that no one would have considered 10-5-30 years ago....just as no one would have considered that three and one half years ago, four a/c (or three and something else) would lead to death in a couple of hours time on a sunny September morning - caused by foreigners or made to look like it was caused by foreigners.

Members appear fast - to naysay - the naysaying is usually about things that are revealed or claimed that make the government look as bad as they are....things that are easy to hang a Reynolds hat on just by declaration alone. And the naysaying is done 'teamlike' - just as this person in the article says he worked.

It is a curious thing to watch this.

It is always valuable to have people questioning and looking things up to prove it isn't possible.

This is something of a different nature.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:33 PM
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11. Keep Digging:
The below is from This Page


9/11 Planned in 1976 by US Army
In 1976, US Government Federal Agent Timothy S. McNiven took part in a US Congressional Commissioned Military Study to devise the "Perfect Terrorist Attack". The plan they came up with was to take control of commercial airliners with box cutters and then fly them into the WTC.

McNiven has provided an affidavit for the Ellen Mariani's RICO Suit against Bush,
quote: By Federal Agent Timothy S. McNiven
I am Timothy Stuart McNiven; my United States Defense Department codename is "Grillfire": hence, the name of my website; www.codenamegrillfire.com. I have 29 plus years in Service to the US Defense Department and am an active operative in accordance with the contract the US Government has with me.

Some of my current work includes working with the Northwest Drug Task Force in 1995-96 on the Rob Sayce, Anikas Oyen, Barb Oyen Drug Smuggling, Teenage / Preteen Prostitution, Weapons Trafficking Case.

Providing information about the whereabouts of the Kehoe brothers less than 2 1/2 weeks before their surrender and locating Ira Einhorn in France.

In 1975-76 I was stationed on Strassberg Kaserne In Idar-Oberstein, W. Germany assigned to C-Battery 2/81st Field Artillery, US Army; here I took part in a US Congressional Commissioned Military Study to Improve US Air Travel Security. Why did I say it was Congressional Commissioned (?); I was told that the Military does not do anything on it's own, tht everything is done by the orders of the US Congress as the US Constitution calls for.

Here is a list of names (not all) of other participants from my unit: Col. Robert (Bad bob) Morrison, Maj. Joe Dipiero, Lt. Michael Teague, Sgt. Middleton, Sgt. Arroyo, Sgt. Maj. McKay, Sgt. Wolford, Sgt. Riggs, Sgt. Henderson, Sgt. Garza, Sgt. Broder, Sgt. Meralas, Sgt. Frank Murray, Sgt. Jackson, Sgt. Taraza, Sgt. Buck, Sgt. Brown, Sgt. Steadman, Sgt. Barber, 1st Sgt. Ray, Mr Sam Handy, Cpl. Pickett, Cpl. Wisner, Michael Hubbert, Richard Seanz, Dan Henderson, George Cinch, Berni Domoski, Robert Bruns, Thomas Gumbs, Jake Asuit, Bruce Levine, Martain Seals, Bill Gully, Dennis Montoya, Tom Kimber, Rick Lyons, Bob Bender, Terry Cook, Sam Icono, Taylor (Mr. T), (Phlash) Richardson, Harry Waldren, Olie Fine, the Drew Cousins, Johnson, Fetc, Macfarland.

There were also people from the Defense Department and the CIA (who had an office on Strassberg Kaserne) and others that I was not allowed to see; they were always behind me during the study but occasionally they would make a comment, which is Standard Military Operating Procedure.

Source





Here is the snip from the Lawsuit,

quote: From lawsuit
Based upon review of Affiant McNiven's sworn
statement Plaintiff asserts Defendant USA, et al., charged with
defending America had prior knowledge before "911" that the events
of this infamous day in American history could take place and did.
Hence, Defendant USA's failure to implement the findings of the
study was grossly/criminally negligent and Defendant's "failing to
prevent" the attacks of "911" raises other serious national
security and public trust matters important for Plaintiff to
obtain justice in this case. Affiant McNiven's testimony and the
chilling similarities of the study's scenarios to the actual
events of "911," support a basis Defendants were
grossly/criminally negligent in failing to prevent "911." Affiant
McNiven's testimony also provides the "nexus" to include Defendant
George H. Bush, Sr., (hereinafter "Defendant GHB") as a critical
party to this litigation as Defendant GHB as CIA Director at the
time of the study and reasons for its not being implemented are
very relevant for Plaintiff to find the answers as to why her
husband was murdered on "911." Plaintiff believes, Defendants' GWB
and his father, GHB, hold the answers for the entire nation to be
informed of the truth as to "911" and why it occurred and was not
prevented.<25>

Source





He has also provided polygraph test results which he passed with flying colours, and they make very interesting reading. Click HERE for test results and transcripts.

This information further implicates the US administrations involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks, or negligence to the point of 25 years of non-action to rectify security inadequacies.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:26 AM
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12. I got to read the entire article. To the naysayers....there is plenty to
check out before ridiculing. You are ridiculing the site and site owner who brought the information out, not the person who participated.

It is strange that the story came out on this site, but maybe someone dug deeper or listened harder.

The paraticipant in the exercise named names, place, date, purpose, one of the superiors, and specifically said it was for commercial airliners and box cutters and flying the a/c into buildings.

This deserves a KICK for a check-out.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:57 PM
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13. Kick for 9-11 sanity and possible truth.
Whether we believe in LIHOP, MIHOP, or neither...we need to know if this is true. If true, was it classified? Evidently not?
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