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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:14 PM
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While everyone has been obsessing over Schiavo, anti-war protests
happened all over the world. Any comments?

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:15 PM
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1. Theyre not important. The schaivo case is!
booga booga!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:16 PM
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2. That's the way it is in the lib'rul media.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:52 AM
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37. Perhaps we should get our own house in order...
before throwing stones at the media.

There's something like a 10:1 ratio of Schiavo threads to protest ones at DU.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:16 PM
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3. What? Protests?
What protests?

What's got them furriners worked up this week? Don't they know about Terri?
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:19 PM
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4. Yeah, in my predominantly red hell-hole we marched, and we
had local coverage, but this blackout for the corporate media is a downer to my otherwise good vibes. I can't believe that this isn't being covered. I quit watching corporate tv quite some time ago.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:22 PM
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6. Next step is to quit buying products of companies that keep ....
'em going.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:36 PM
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15. I'm not surprised
Everything is fine and dandy in BushLand. He's King George and all his people love him and his decisions. :eyes:
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:24 AM
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36. The Repukes have come to realize
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 12:25 AM by libhill
That Joe Sixpack and Nancy Nascar don't mind paying $2.00 a gallon for gasoline to get to work, assuming they have work to go to, and don't mind sending their sons and daughters to die in Iraq so that Haliburton can make a killing, and don't mind suffering in silence with an illness because they have no health insurance, because Republican Politicians can shout "Praise the Lord" and "God Bless America", and that means that everythang is gonna be o.k.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:21 PM
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5. Yeah I've been avoiding this place because
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 10:22 PM by walldude
all I see are threads about Schiavo. I wasn't interested in the case to begin with, people deal with this kind of thing all the time. I became even less interested when the politicos got ahold of it and used it as an attention diverter. Franky I was surprised to see so many threads on it. I stopped in for a minute last night and saw someone had made a Schiavo thread just because Will Pitt posted a thread asking people to stop making Schiavo threads. Then I clicked on another thread with an incongruous title and it was another Shiavio thread by the same guy That was it for me, I went and hung out at Crooks and Liars...
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:24 PM
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7. Why are folks not able to multi-task?
Anti-war protests are great, commendable. That does not take away from the importance of the Schiavo case.

The Schiavo case is important - it is about states rights versus federalism. To pass the resolution is to violate the 10th Amendment.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." --10th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States


Does it not bother you that congress is sticking its nose into a personal matter that has already been resolved by the state courts pursuant to constitutionally valid state laws?

Does it not bother you that a resolution on this one issue is just another erosion of our constitutional rights?

:shrug:

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:27 PM
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8. YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE FLAVOR OF ICE CREAM!
And only ONE issue - no more!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:29 PM
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9. But please, please
I am capable of thinking about more than one thing in a 24 hour period, can't I try and do both, I promise, I will be effective!

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:30 PM
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10. If only we had focused on the war instead of our civil rights this weekend
we'd be out of Iraq by Monday!

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:37 PM
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16. Sarcasm becomes you! {{hug}}
There is an Activism Thread to post images of the protests. GD is for general discussions and I, for one, generally feel that this issue matters a hell of lot!

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:40 PM
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17. It definietly bothers me
I wouldn't want Tom DeLay or Bill Frist or anybody, whether republican or democrat, deciding my fate. Even when the Supreme Court took this case they sided with the husband. Go figure!
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:41 PM
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19. Yes, it does bother me, but rehashing it 1000 times is not a good use
of DU bandwith.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:49 PM
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26. Well maybe that rehashing is important because folks continue
to say it is about one lady and not as important as other things that have occurred this weekend.

Maybe it is because people are overlooking the importance of the issue and the fact that the matter is being debated in congress as I type.

Maybe losing constitutional rights at home scares the hell out of me and I wonder if this constitutional battle is lost, will the next time congress interfere will it be to say that the right to demonstrate and march like the protests of this weekend are illegal.

Gosh, I am a donor too. If the threads were not important to people they would drop like stones and no one would bother to comment in them. The activism forum is a good place to discuss the protests with little interference from the posters that are concerned with this liberty issue.

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:42 PM
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20. I'm absolutely able to multitask
but when more than 2/3rds of the threads being posted are about the same subject, I wouldn't call that multitasking, I call it wasting my time sifting through 17 threads all on the same subject.. But thats just MHO
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:31 PM
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11. Quite right, Kathy in Cambridge and quite right to say so.
Also you seem to know your films (the Lynch thread from earlier today.)

Doesn't hurt for us all to be reminded that citizen objections to immoral wars take precedence over far-right grandstanding over Terri Schiavo.

Thanks.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:34 PM
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13. Since when does pageantry top demolition of civil rights?
The anniversary protests are fine, but they will not acheive a SINGLE THING.

Meanwhile the republican congress is dismantling your civil rights over a weekend - but you think waving a sign on an anniversary is MORE important.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:40 PM
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18. Good heavens, mondo joe.
My support for peace demonstrators goes back a ways.

Don't fault me for falling for the anti-Viet Nam War talk I heard at the feet of George McGovern and Martin Luther King and many others.

They were very important influences to me.

I haven't made any statement in favor of anybody dismantling my civil rights or the civil rights of others. If you can find that statement on DU or elsewhere, post it.

If not, I request that I be left to my leftist preference for peace over the Bush administration's propaganda.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:42 PM
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21. Your statement favored parades over addressing dismantling civil rights
"Doesn't hurt for us all to be reminded that citizen objections to immoral wars take precedence over far-right grandstanding over Terri Schiavo."

There you go - your protest which won't change a thing "takes precedence" over addressing a very serious threat to civil rights.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:45 PM
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25. I agree. It isn't one or the other--using that logic doesn't help anyone.
We have a couple of fronts going here, at least.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:52 PM
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27. Well, hells bells. To review, the assault on a sovereign --
-- nation was flagrantly illegal. Opposition worldwide was persuasively significant and called / calls into question the role of nations as international citizens.

Those demonstrating to mark the anniversary of that assault are doubtless conscionable people and their cause is a just one. I support their effort; indeed I took part in it.

It wasn't the first time. It won't be the last.

My objection, as stated in reasonably clear prose, was to the grandstanding over the Schiavo case, and in previous posts on DU and elsewhere I have named names: Tom DeLay, Dubya, and the generic right-wing ministers whipping their flocks into a "Save Terri" media circus.

I posted in this thread in support of Kathy in Cambridge, as she has consistently made sense on the progressive agenda and I feel that she could easily follow the path of my post.

Sorry you missed the turn.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:57 PM
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29. The assault on our rights is real, not simply grandstanding.
But if your ego is served by focusing on your protest to the exclusion of this, have at it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:02 PM
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30. No, you picked up the wrong piece of fabric.
The Bush administration's assault on democracy is of course real, but that was not the point of Kathy of Cambridge's point, at least as far as I felt, and the grandstanding I referenced is the blame I lay at the feet of Tom DeLay.

I accuse him of grandstanding on the Schiavo case. That is, butting in where he does not belong, long after several doctors and almost as many courts have spoken and resolved the matter.

Someone in favor of anti-war protests is not by definition unaware or unconcerned about the Bush administration's record on democratic principles or constitutional issues.

Many of the posters in this thread have done a great job on DU in various threads over a long period of time to challenge Dubya and his people.

I'm one of them. And your shot at my ego was cheap.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:06 PM
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31. Sorry you didn't get the praise and attention for your anniversary
protest to the exclusion of all other news.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:09 PM
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32. Your posts in this thread tend toward the disrespectful --
-- and your conclusions about the original post and mine as well are unearned.

You seem very intelligent to me in your DU posts, but you don't seem very respectful this evening.

I stand by my comments.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:31 PM
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12. Couldn't prove it by the MSM.
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 10:34 PM by BiggJawn
Karl Rove's hoping for plenty of hungry sharks off the Jersey shore this summer...

Gotta have something to distract us with after Terri's gone.

I DID hear, though, that 5 were arrested in Chicago. Either nobody showed up, people were feeling compliant, or the Cops pulled their heads out of their asses since 2 years ago when they busted hundreds...
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:35 PM
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14. Protests? Where? When? Nothing on my TV about that!
Never happened. If we don't see it...it didn't happen.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:42 PM
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22. Yep
If I hear no protest's, see no protest's there is no protest's. Lalalalala. Everything is so perfect. :eyes:
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zimmer Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:44 PM
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23. Weapons of Mass Distraction
One Big distraction after another for team Bushco. ANYTHING to avoid his failure in office.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:14 AM
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35. Wow! That would be a great film title.
Maybe I'll contact Danny Schecter.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:10 AM
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40. Hi zimmer!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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osiristz Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:44 PM
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24. What's a Shiavo?
I must be out of the loop. I was watching the protests!
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:55 PM
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28. Here's a link to Protest Pics ....
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 11:50 PM
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33. You know what, Cathy? There's just no hope. They control everything.
I live in Hong Kong. Hong Kong is part of China. We have a government owned radio station. So it's owned and controlled by the Chinese govt.

On Sunday, the first item of news was the peace demonstrations. But in the one-minute news item, for the first 20 seconds they announced the marches around the world, and then gave a big BUT followed by 40 seconds of Bush's speech about freedom and democracy spreading in the ME.

Even here, the propaganda is used to crowd out any opposition to the war.

There is no hope.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:13 AM
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34. Boston 3/20
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:57 AM
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38. Kick n/t
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:53 AM
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39. Kick
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:14 AM
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41. Who cares about the millions trying to save the thousands dying in war...
..when the few idiots can worry about saving the life of the one person who's been almost dead for 15 years anyways.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:34 AM
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42. Ummm...wasn't that the whole point of the Schiavo thing...
worked pretty good, too.

Watch, as soon as the protests end, this story will slide to page 15.
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