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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:00 AM
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#276--They have 3 ambulances outside the hospice
Are they gonna chop her up and take her to the hospital to have her tube put back in or what?
I don't understand?
:shrug:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:02 AM
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1. Oh, jeez. HIGH DRAMA staged for the cameras.
Three ambulances! RESCUE mission! GOP TO THE RESCUE!!!

:puke:
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Sukie1941 Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:02 AM
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2. The "tube" is still in!
It was never removed, it was just unhooked from the food source. They just screw it back on to the end that sticks out of her belly.
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VTMechEngr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:04 AM
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5. Yeh, they would have to do surgery to plug the stomach otherwise.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:06 AM
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10. No...actually it creates a tract
and once the tube is out, the tract closes.
You pull the tube and slap a bandaid on it. No stitches, no holes.
Very easy, even the chimperor could do it.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:08 AM
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13. Where in the world do you get this information?
The tube stays in. All they do is close it off. It's very simple. I saw it demonstrated on TV.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:11 AM
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16. Oh lord.
I've been a nurse for many years.
The tube has been removed.
When it is in use it is closed off between feeds, but the court order was for the tube to be removed, not for the tube to be clamped.
Where in the world do you get your information?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:15 AM
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17. I saw it shown on TV. They had a model of a human, and
showed how the tube is attached to the stomach. Then, they said the part of the tube that is sticking out would be capped off. They said that is what being done. Why in the world would you need to physically remove the tube, when you can just put the cap on it? Also, she had it removed twice already, and I don't think I ever heard she had surgery to put it back in.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:10 AM
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15. IF they took the tube out the tract would still be patent
meaning able to insert the tube again easily. It is like having a pierced ear, the hole heals and forms a passageway between front of ear and back, or between stomach and the rest of the universe outside her body.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:04 AM
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6. The tube was removed. eom.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:05 AM
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8. I think you are wrong about that. The fd. tube was removed. Where
did you hear that?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:07 AM
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No, the tube is not removed.
I saw a demonstration of it on TV. The tube is actually very small. All they do is to close it off. Nobody is going to physically take it out.
So, all they got to do is hook it up to some nutrition, and that's it.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:21 AM
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18. My grandson's was physically removed.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:22 AM by soup
He has a small round scar/ dimple on his belly from it.

If it wasn't going to be used, why would they leave it there?

on edit: sorry, thought I was responding to those questioning if the tube is actually removed.


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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:24 AM
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19. Well, because she is supposed to die, so what would
be the point of actually removing it, when you can just put a cup on it?
Anyhow, maybe whoever did that demonstration on TV didn't know what they were talking about, or I misunderstood something. Even if it is physically removed, it can be put in, as it was done twice already.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:46 PM
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26. It comes out with a tug. A very simple procedure.
I'm sure the reason it was completely removed was so that sympathetic nurses and/or parents couldn't sneak anything to Terri when nobody was watching.
But it was court ordered that it be removed, not clamped. That is what was done.
And yes, it can be put back in. Simple surgical procedure--usually only takes a few minutes.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:54 PM
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32. The Schindlers wanted it clamped and petitioned Judge Greer
to order that, but I think he denied that one.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:01 PM
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37. and you trust the MSM why?
Come off it, the tube was removed, morons in the MSM notwithstanding.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:27 AM
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The tube was removed and will have to be surgically reinserted by doctors.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:27 AM by Maddy McCall
The feeding tube was removed from Schiavo about 1:45 p.m., according to George Felos, Michael Schiavo's attorney. The woman, who lives in a hospice in Pinellas Park, Fla., could survive a week or two, medical experts say -- unless the tube is reinserted, as has happened twice before.

A hospice priest administered the sacrament of Communion to Schiavo before the tube was removed in a "very calm, peaceful procedure," Felos said. Michael Schiavo arrived to be with his wife after the tube was removed, the lawyer added.

Edited to add link: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05078/474153.stm



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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:03 AM
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3. This is like Illian.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:04 AM
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4. The Fed court-if it does--has to give the order. Not till business hours
at least!!
And no, one does not go to the hospital to put in a feeding tube. The hole is already there.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:08 AM
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14. Yes she will go back to the hospital to have it put back in.
That tract is already closed and another one will have to be created.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:04 AM
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7. Oh Sweet Jesussss.. They have CLONED her..
:spank:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:06 AM
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11. lol
You're baaad. :)
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:06 AM
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9. 1 ambulance for Terri, 1 for the Constitution, & 1 for our Democracy...
which one will live and survive? :eyes:

Sadly, I think none of the above..... :cry:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:07 AM
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12. "Rampart... this is Rescue 51..."
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:08 AM by Cooley Hurd
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seventythree Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:40 AM
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24. made me chuckle -- and I sure as hell needed to -- thanks
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:24 AM
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20. I thought Hospice could provide only palliative care?
That they could not provide feeding tubes or any type of medical treatment except to make the patient comfortable (pain meds & hygiene). Yet, Terri is recieving care beyond palliative, in a Hospice facility.

The other thing that's irks me is that if her parents are so concerned, why aren't they paying for private medical insurance? Are they willing to pick up the bill or will our tax dollars continue to pay for her care?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:27 AM
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21. I believe she is at the hospice because her husband
arranged for her to be there.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:27 AM
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22. makes sense, otherwise it wouldn't be a hospice.
how freaking strange.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:50 PM
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29. You are correct
And hospice is only for terminally ill patients for end of life care.
Which if they were going to pull the tube that would be where she belonged which is why I suppose Michael put her there.
Why they allow her to stay there long term I do not know.
But I read somewhere (and there has been lots of somewheres) that the hospice was giving her free care.
Personally, if I had a family member in the same facility I would demand free care to.
Sounds a bit partial to me.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:31 AM
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23. Why would they chop her up?
They're not gonna chop her up, are they?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:43 PM
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25. Sorry was being facetious.
They aren't going to chop her up...just couldn't fathom why they needed 3 ambulances to take her to the hospital.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:48 PM
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27. Well, her father said he would still keep her alive if he had to
cut off her legs and arms.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:53 PM
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31. Yes.
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:54 PM by Horse with no Name
It was said that if she developed gangrene in her arms and legs they would amputate them.
But that would be done in a hospital and the body parts would most likely be incinerated.
I say most likely because who knows anymore.
I did have a patient once who had a leg amputated and the family arranged for a funeral home to pick up the leg because their religious beliefs dictated that she buried with all parts--so the leg went to the funeral home and waited for the rest of her.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:50 PM
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28. FREEPS WILL GO NUTS
when the judge upholds the order (I think he will), these people will lose their minds and riot, perhaps even try to "kidnap" Terri and save her. Can't wait to see it.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:58 PM
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33. Actually I think if it looks like it will be upheld
That the judge will just delay his ruling til she dies.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:59 PM
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35. How long can he delay his ruling?
it may take another week for Terri to pass.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:02 PM
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38. One of the legal eagles here will have to answer that
But if I am correct that even though the politburo sped it through with thea-tricks that the judge has time to review the case--which is a 7 years of briefs and rulings, I am sure it could well take over a week.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:52 PM
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30. They have 3 because...
They will have officials in two and they also act as decoys to make it all the harder for the 'christian' Rightists to extract Terri from the ambulance that she is in.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:59 PM
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34. I dont doubt it,
When Nancy Cruzan had her Tube removed, 19 religious nuts broke into the hospital with the intention of reconnecting it themselves.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:00 PM
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36. $$$$$$$$ 80,000 year WE pay for HER>>>>>>>>>>
Just $40,000 to $50,000 remains of the money won in the malpractice case after Terri's heart stopped in 1990 and left her in what court-appointed doctors say is a persistent vegetative state. Deborah Bushnell, one of Michael Schiavo's attorneys, said the money is being saved for legal expenses. It is held in a trust fund, and a judge approves all expenditures, from attorneys' fees to the woman's haircuts.

Terri lives at the Woodside Hospice - part of a not-for-profit hospice network in Florida - among terminally ill patients. She is permitted to stay there for free because she is considered indigent, Bushnell said. Patients who can afford it pay roughly $80,000 a year to stay at the hospice.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/17/Tampabay/Money_is_just_about_e.shtml
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