the rest of the world needs to help us

ok here's an idea from way out in left field. I think Russia and China should threaten us with an all out state of war if we don't impeach the warmonger. They could use their financial leverage as well but I think the world should declare * a war criminal and demand that either we bring him to justice or they will (just like we are happily doing to other countries) I have to believe there is enough sanity left in washington that faced with shrub's inevitable request for full nuclear release somebody would put a stop to him. Legal or otherwise. Discuss.

the evidence is as clear as it can be. not enough people care anymore. I'll bet the thought of MAD again might wake some of them up.

For one thing I don't think it would work. For another, encouraging other nations to make war on us is just plain wrong. I mean you want to kick start the cold war again? Is that your plan?

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seem to be more level headed and reasonable than our own government sure. Whatever the cold war was, it caused a certain uneasy stability in the world. We are on an imperialistic crusade that will result in the same outcome eventually of the worst case cold war scenario. Russia and China want to live in a stable world just as much as we do. They won't be satisfied being beholden to the united states of oil. I'm just saying we should just bring this all to a head sooner than later.

Well good luck with that.

sitting there and hoping things will change by themselves or through your vote.

I appreciate the warm wishs, and I do think that, as you say, voting is the way to go. Just because we lost a tight election recently, really isn't any reason to give up and support pie in the eye fantasies that have us getting into bed with China.

But to each their own.

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about 99 percent of the people in this country would support the president and congress. Other countries cannot and should not dictate our policies. I think you may need help. Seriously. I know the Iraq war is illegal, but two wrongs certainly do not make a right.

by pissing all over the constitution I love. To quote an Oliver Stone film. "we're through the looking glass here people. White is black and black is white." Our country has been stolen and is on a path to self-destruction. Either we solve the problem or I guarantee someone else eventually will. All it will take is one foreign visitor with smallpox or something worse and it's game over.

and it will unravel. I have no idea when or how.

that you need help. I am not a doctor and had no right to say that. I do stand by my statement that the large majority of Americans would stand by the president, because no matter what, we are all Americans and if threatened with all-out war, we would stand together. Look at the unity we had immediately after 9-11. bush certainly blew that, but we still mostly pulled together as one nation, non-partisan, just Americans.

and obviously I had base desires of revenge. I had a stronger sense of the fact that we as a country had brought this upon ourselves through allowing oour leaders to dictate our policies to the rest of the world as if we're Gods. The big bully always has someone eventually stand up to them and take them down. With nuclear and bio weapons in the equation the stakes are too high.

if not all life on this planet to preserve "the american way"? I think when push comes to shove people will be less patriotic and their basic survival instincts will kick in and they will rise up and end king george's reign.

it's called nationalism. A perfect example of which can be seen in AmIraq. I also have to say, I wouldn't take to kindly to such a threat and would stand behind the US and Bush :puke: 110%, sorry

Jay

A military threat from external forces would only cause more morons to rally around the dimwit in the White House. You know, patriotism, Mom, apple pie, wave the flag, and you Commies can't tell ME what to do.

For the proof of this, look what happened to Fuckwit's approval numbers right after 9/11.

However, declaring Fuckwit a war criminal and the whole regime illegal and enforcing targeted economic sanctions might just work. At any rate, it would cause US corporations to reconsider just how cheap that foreign labor really is when they can't import parts for the junk they make.

but I would never stand with a Government that is morally and legally corrupt, even my own. I would, however gladly give my life for the Consititution and for my fellow American's freedoms. I wasn't really entertaining this as an actual call to have other countries invade us but it's going to come down to it eventually anyway I fear. there will come a day that the rest of the world has to say. Stop your shit or else. I'd just ratrher have it appen sooner than later because I don't even feel like my life can go on in any capacity until I know my country isn't dying anymore.

It would backfire as well, that would lead to some sort of military government for sure. War is never an option. As it's going, the US is digging itself a hole it may never be able to get out of. Try threats of a trade embargo instead.

until we decide to send our military to go retrieve the resources that are "rightfully ours" kind of like we're doing now.

But one can argue that the US can't take on the rest of the world. Russia and china together . . . sheesh. The problem is what we're engaging in is baseless speculation. Suffice to say that other countries trying to influence the composition of the US government is a bad idea, and will result in either failure or disaster. I think we can agree on that.

a tyrant and rose to stop him. What's the difference?

rather than the sudden appearance of an invasion-happy fucker like Hitler. The US is not at the point Germany was in the 1930's. It may yet, but for all the Nazi comparisons it's not there. The US is also much larger geographically, in a strategically strong location, and frankly I think it's obvious that there's no real comparison. We have nukes, and we will always have them. That fact alone makes an invasion of the US impossible. War will not happen. The only possibility of external influence is that the rest of the world gets tired of us, and we become less and less important, both politically and economically. There will be a point where the rest of the world can just stop trading with us, though it still won't be easy. Like a smoker finally kicking a 40-year habit, it will hurt but it will be bearable.

please sit down and have a round table discussion with Molly I., Jim Hightower, Robert Fisk, Arianna H., Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, and gosh who else could we invite? Let's have a go shall we? I know two I forgot! Stan Goff, Granny D and that Ben & Jerry guy that started "True Majority". I'll never forget the speech he gave at one of the first protest's opposing this ill begotten "war on terror", Launch Iraq, Phase I.

It was a magnificent moment in time.

And so I ramble, and Let me say I'm sorry.

...I've seen in awhile.

"ok here's an idea from way out in left field. I think Russia and China should threaten us with an all out state of war if we don't impeach the warmonger."

First off, if Russia and China threated us with war, more Americans would rally in support of Bush than would try to oust him. Outside interference is far more likely to make Bush more popular here in the US than less popular.

Second, I got bad news for ya - the Bush administration actually has pretty good relations with the governments of Russia and China. Bush's trade policies are a very favorable to China, and Bush generally turns a blind eye to the atrocities Russia commits in Chechnya and the undemocratic policies Putin has embarked on.

Third, what exactly makes you think Russia's Putin and China's communist dictatorship are any better than the Bush administration. Putin is busy rolling back what remains of the free press in Russia while he busily stamps out democratic elections for the nations governors. China is busy closing Internet cafe's, arresting all dissidents and threatening to make war on an actual democracy in Taiwan. Perhaps you do not realize, because you take the freedom you have as a US citizen for granted, that a forum like this where you can actually advocate foreign nations threaten your own with nuclear weapons is completely illegal in communist nations such as China.

"They could use their financial leverage as well but I think the world should declare * a war criminal and demand that either we bring him to justice or they will (just like we are happily doing to other countries)"

Interesting. So you think it is terrible that we are "happily doing this to other countries", yet advocate other countries do it to us?

"I have to believe there is enough sanity left in washington that faced with shrub's inevitable request for full nuclear release somebody would put a stop to him."

Nope. If other nations actually threatened to nuke us, Bush may very well issue preemptive strike orders - and no, there is no "somebody" who would stop him. The military would follow orders.

Imajika

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