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Dr Ron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:47 AM
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Bush Advisor Gets Opinions From Star Trek
From Light Up the Darkness:
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=591

George Bush and The Wrath of Khan
21 March 2005

The Baltimore Sun shows where one Bush advisor received her views on stem cell research: "Diana Schaub, a Loyola College professor and adviser to President Bush, is convinced that cloning and embryonic stem cell research are evil. She says this belief was formed, in part, by watching Star Trek."

Most likely this view is based upon the stories on Khan, who appeared in a 1967 episode and in the 1982 movie The Wrath of Khan in which genetically enhanced humans wage war with humanity.

Star Trek does have some valuable lessons, which we previously discussed. Certainly we must always be watchful for potential misuse of science. However, there is a limit to how much to decide policy based upon adverse events in a television show. For example, denying people the benefits of stem cell research based upon fear of war waged by genetically enhanced humans is rather absurd.

It would have been far better if advisors to Bush learned from the positive lessons of Star Trek, including tolerance, accepting science rather than religious rule and superstition, and noninterference in the affairs of other cultures.

Baltimore Sun article linked to is at:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health/bal-md.schaub19mar19,1,3619533.story?ctrack=2&cset=true

The previous LUTD post mentioned discussing liberal values from Star Trek is at:
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=325

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:49 AM
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1. DOH (whacks forehead)
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:49 AM
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2. She should watch enterprise
stem cell research causes all the klingons to lose their head ridges.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:49 AM
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3. it would be nice if they paid attention to
some of star trek's more humanitarian messages. Or if they're really into using fictional sources for policy maybe they should read the bible finally.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:13 AM
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12. Right, and a recurring theme in most of the series
up to Enterprise (which I could never get into) was the divisive nature of religion and how it acted as an excuse to exercise the worst qualities in otherwise reasonable beings.

Another theme was the acceptance of beings so wildly different from yourself that there was no physical point of reference.

Let's see. Rationality. Tolerance. Oh, my. It's amazing that more televangelists haven't come out against it with letter writing campaigns against the reruns.

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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:20 AM
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13. Oh no Batman!
Those are the secret code words used by the militant homosexuals to further their evil agenda!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 09:53 AM
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4. Evil?
What the hell kind of professor uses the word "evil" to describe research?
Even Mr. Spock would be embarrassed.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:01 AM
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5. I love Star Trek
They no longer use money, drugs, there's no more war on Earth, etc, etc. As long as the BFEE is in power, we will never be able to advance in the name of science, in any way, shape or form.

However, we will have to start looking for another planet to colonize after the BFEE has finished destroying our planet.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:03 AM
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6. Doctor McCoy can't save America from Bush
He's a Doctor, not a Miracle Worker.
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:04 AM
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7. I'm sure it's not this bad
but wouldn't it be funny if the real reason Bush opposes stem cell research is that he's afraid that it'll give rise to Khan Singh? I mean if he REALLY believed that. That'd be pretty nutty.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:08 AM
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10. He believes in creation and the rapture.
nt
:evilgrin:
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:28 AM
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15. Touche'
nt
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:32 AM
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22. Remember reagan's astrologer?
Scares the shit out of me, these people making life and death decisions.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:08 AM
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8. Bu, But, But...
what about Agra-businesses that use genetically enhanced seed to wage war against humanity? F'ing morans.

Jay
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:08 AM
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9. What About The Prime Directive?
Nobody's making policy based on *that,* alas.

The Plaid Adder
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:12 AM
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11. Link to Schaub's article
I haven't done the bugmenot.com dance with the Baltimore Sun article, but I suspect this is the Schaub article referred to:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/4/schaub.htm

Unless it's a parody: it's hard to take seriously a journal called "The New Atlantis". Muddled wittering about Star Trek, Genesis, Shakespeare... is this what passes for serious thinking in the field of political "science", in which she's a professor? Nice work if you can get it.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:41 AM
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20. No, the Sun article is about her, not by her
but your article does show her position is fairly weird.

From the Sun:

"I find that there are good reasons to be opposed to embryonic stem cell research and human cloning," she said. "Both Lincoln and the Enterprise argue that there ought to be certain moral limits to the scientific project, and they help us articulate what those limits are."
...
Schaub, 45, said she immersed herself in textbooks and lectures and rarely thought seriously about bioethics until three years ago, when Leon Kass, a University of Chicago ethics professor, asked her to lecture about the ethics of cloning. She knew Kass from her days at the University of Chicago, where she received her doctorate in 1991.

At Loyola, Schaub began to write and speak more about cloning and embryonic research. And she began to perceive similarities to slavery. Like slaves, Schaub says, embryos have few natural advocates. It is easy for people to treat embryos as inferior beings available for economic or scientific gain.

Instead of replacing the previous generation, Schaub argues, embryonic stem cells eventually could be used primarily to benefit the elderly or sick by making their lives longer, or would-be parents by providing cloned or genetically engineered children. While many scientists support the therapeutic cloning of embryos specifically for research, Schaub disagrees.

"Cloning is an evil," she wrote in an article published in 2003. "It is slavery, plus abortion."


So, 2 years of pontificating qualifies you for a national position to make recommendations about something you didn't take seriously before that. And bunches of 14-day old cells can apparently be enslaved. It seems you don't need a nervous system for that.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:21 AM
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14. And Rush Limbaugh made fun of a juror who wore a ST uniform to court
:puke:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:33 AM
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16. KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
it had to be said.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:36 AM
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17. I prefer old school trek but...
this quote is appropriate for how i feel these days:

"They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!"
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:37 AM
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18. Enterprise recently did a 3 part story line
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 10:46 AM by tanyev
about a bogus terrorist attack engineered by a government. I kept saying "Oh, wow" out loud throughout. I guess Ms. Schaub missed those episodes.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:52 AM
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21. She only likes TOS
She says "To anyone interested in these issues, I strongly recommend Star Trek—the original series of course, not any of the second-rate sequels". She could only be more trekkie if she added "and the odd-numbered movies suck ass".
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 12:43 PM
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23. Don't they? n/t
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 10:39 AM
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19. Perhaps this dork should've looked at the philosophy of Khan
And realise the true 'evil' wasn't the technology, but the ideology behind it.

An ideology that she should be able to quickly recognise as the one being pushed by Bubba-Fuhrer and his neo-con(Khan?) buddies.
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