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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:18 PM
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*ahem* Why is it OK for Terri Schiavo to be on Medicaid,
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:19 PM by in_cog_ni_to
but poor, poverty stricken people who NEED Medicaid are "Lazy bums" and are stealing the Right Wing Wackos money? What the hell. How do these religious Right Wing nutjobs differentiate between the two? How do their brains work to make the Medicaid Schiavo lives on acceptable, yet the living poor don't deserve it? :wtf: I will NEVER understand these people.

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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:20 PM
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1. things change in wingers eyes
before you are born and after your dead, they only think of you when you have no real use and are a true burdon on the world
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:21 PM
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2. She is also WHITE and Middle Class
Yep racism is alive and well in this country
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:28 PM
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6. MY Bible says that there's always someone poorer than you
and it is your responsibility to give to those who need it. No matter how poor you are..... GIVE to those in need. How do they reconcile their greediness?
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:21 PM
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3. ...because they are not a poor family?
:silly: :silly: :silly:

It is incomprehensible.....:argh:

DemEx
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:21 PM
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4. Well, she had a medical emergency and the family
couldn't pay for the medical expenses............. oh wait, that's how it is with EVERYONE on Medicaid.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:30 PM
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7. That doesn't matter. 45 millions are without any type of health insurance
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:36 PM by ultraist
They couldn't get Medicaid because it is means tested and their income (or the income of their spouse) is slightly to high to qualify. They were able to pull some strings, get her declared an indigent, so she met the means test. I really don't understand why they are not considering her husband's income. He is not at or below poverty level.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:27 PM
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5. Because she is no longer able to work to pay for her medical
expenses or get health insurance from her employer. Look upon it as the workers who look after her getting paid. Also, this should bring home the fact that the sick, the elderly, and I guess the artificially living dead in this case, are the people who need health care and whom our for profit health care industry chops benefits off from while they cherry pick the healthy in order to take their money, because it's unlikely they will have to pay benefits to them for a very long time.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:34 PM
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8. Medicaid is means tested and your spouse's income is considered
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 01:46 PM by ultraist
If had a medical emergency and couldn't work, my husband's income would be considered if I applied for Medicaid (assuming I didn't have private insurance, which I do).

45 Million Americans cannot get health insurance, including Medicaid, because their incomes are too high to qualify. Many of those people are nearly at poverty and cannot afford private health insurance. They are the ones falling through the cracks.

Furthermore, the requirements are tightening as funding is being cut.

How did they get around calculating in the spouse's income?

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/medicaid/

Welcome to Medicaid
Medicaid is a program that pays for medical assistance for certain individuals and families with low incomes and resources. This program became law in 1965 and is jointly funded by the Federal and State governments (including ...


http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/ess/medicaid.shtml

The State of Florida has several programs designed to provide Medicaid to low income individuals who are either elderly (65 or older) or disabled. This is referred to as SSI Related Medicaid. Elderly or disabled individuals with children may be eligible for Medicaid if they are eligible for Section 1931 Medicaid.
Elderly or disabled individuals with no children may be eligible for Medicaid if their income is below 88% of the Federal Poverty Level.
Elderly or disabled individuals may be eligible to have their Medicare premiums and co-payments covered, depending on their income and assets. Elderly or disabled individuals living in a nursing home, in need of hospice care or community based services may be eligible for Medicaid.


Middle or higher income people do not qualify for Medicaid. Only very low income.



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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:40 PM
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9. Yes, but only Terri's income or lack of it is being factored in
I believe in this case because her parents are no longer responsible for her as an adult and I believe her husband is separated from her, isn't he? This would make her entirely responsible for her health care and since she's obviously not able to generate an income, she is able to get Medicaid. Although, I'm just supposing right now and frankly don't feel like researching it because it time I need to spend on other things.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:48 PM
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12. No, they are not legally seperated, they are still legally married.
I think it's odd and I think the fundies pulled some strings to keep medical care going for her.

Yes, beyond 18 a parent is not responsible and they would not factor in their income unless they lived together or supported her.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:41 PM
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10. Medication program??
I'm sure they considered his income and his children. But some states have some additional medication programs for extenuating types of cases. Maybe that's what it is, because I read that Medicaid paid for some medication, not that it's paying her entire bill.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:46 PM
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11. I was told Medicaid pays for her care, IN FULL. not just medication. n/t
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:51 PM
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14. I read that too.
Why are 45 million other people going without medical care/insurance because they are above the means test which is 88% below poverty but she qualifies when she has a husband with an income over that amount?

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:00 PM
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15. Good question!
I wonder how Jeb "fixed" that for her?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:06 PM
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18. She's on Medicare
I read that in one of the judge's decisions. So I don't know which one is paying what. I know with my mom Medicare paid certain things, Medicaid paid others, and my parents had to pay for some things themselves. Some things were donated too. They patch it together for people with catastrophic medical costs.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 01:49 PM
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13. Don't forget
how our veterans are being treated after fighting W's war. :argh:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:04 PM
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17. Don't get me started on the Veterans!
I just had a phone call last week from an Illinois HOMELESS Veteran Organization that I donate to, asking for more money to buy materials so they can build places for the Vets to get in out of the cold, go to to clean up if they have a job interview or just need a place to rest off the streets! :grr: Don't get me started. :nuke: HOMELESS VETS!!! :grr::nuke: It really pisses me off!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:10 PM
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23. Really NOT
Do NOT get me started... :grr: :nuke: :grr: Blithering *blivet has just CUT TBI (traumatic brain injury) FUNDING!!! :nuke: And with that kevlar preserving the lives BUT NOT THE FUCKING BRAINS of American military personnel.... OH SHIT! DO NOT GET ME STARTED! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:03 PM
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16. $$$$$$$$$$ 80,000 for her
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/17/Tampabay/Money_is_just_about_e.shtml



Just $40,000 to $50,000 remains of the money won in the malpractice case after Terri's heart stopped in 1990 and left her in what court-appointed doctors say is a persistent vegetative state. Deborah Bushnell, one of Michael Schiavo's attorneys, said the money is being saved for legal expenses. It is held in a trust fund, and a judge approves all expenditures, from attorneys' fees to the woman's haircuts.

Terri lives at the Woodside Hospice - part of a not-for-profit hospice network in Florida - among terminally ill patients. She is permitted to stay there for free because she is considered indigent, Bushnell said. Patients who can afford it pay roughly $80,000 a year to stay at the hospice.
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Tamarin Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:13 PM
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21. I don't understand how she is considered indigent when......
her husband lives in a house that looks like it costs at least $300,000. How is that possible? If she were on Medicare, that is not means-tested. A person can get Disability and have a working spouse but Medicaid is for the poor.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:06 PM
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19. Cause poor, poverty stricken people are currently the Scam of the Day.
When they are needed, they will be used and discarded by their christian fundamentalist friends in congress.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:06 PM
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20. Cause poor, poverty stricken people are currently the Scam of the Day.
When they are needed, they will be used and discarded by their christian fundamentalist friends in congress.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 02:35 PM
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22. Your putting 2 and 2 together.
That's not how the conservative mind works. Each issue has to be considered based on the amount of votes they might receive by pandering to one side or the other. Hypocrisy is standard operating procedure. If they had to try to link all their positions on various issues without being hypocritical well .... it just couldn't be done.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:30 PM
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24. ...
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