People Are Here Because We All Hate Bush And Republicans, Right?

I mean, that's why I'm here.

Well, that and all the hot chicks. :evilgrin:

But seriously, I'm here because I'm a Democrat and I believe that Bush is the worst president of all time and there hasn't been one, single instance in five years that I can say that I have agreed with a position he's taken.

Or for that matter, agreed with a position any Republican has taken.

I assumed that most people would be of the same mind set.

Republicans = bad.

Democrats = good (or, at the very least, slightly better than Republicans).

But then this whole issue (you know the one of whom I speak) came up and I'm questioning that again.

For all those who support Bush and the Republicans on the side of this issue, I just have one question. Well, maybe more than one.

Doesn't it bother you that you're siding with him?

Shouldn't five years of lies and deception and crass political manipulation have taught you that this man is pure evil and anything he touches and/or is associated with is generally, in a similar vein, also evil?

Can you not see how foolish it is to side with them, that they are WRONG on every issue - including this one.

Doesn't it make you pause, just for a moment, to re-evaluate your position. To make you think 'Hmm, maybe I shouldn't be siding with Bush and the Evil Republicans here.'

I mean, really, five years of this crap and they're still fooling people, even DUers?

I don't get it.

but I think that many of us do get discouraged when we see members of our own party do things which help the Bush agenda, and so that brings out some hostility. But what I'm starting to dislike is all the second guessing about 2004--This candidate or that one would have done this or that and would have won the election. It is all speculation and nobody knows what anybody else would have done differently.

on any issue, that I am aware of. If he is for it, that alone makes me think I should be against it. But I do not know of what issue you are referring to. Perhaps I am obtuse.

And I would just like to repeat that he is the worst president ever.

Same here. I'm so disgusted by Bush. I used to never hate people but I've never hated anybody before but Bush yep. :grr: I like to talk to people who share common goals and dreams of our country and it's a nice place to come and vent too every once in a while.

,...and hating them as human beings. Of course, when you witness such horrific abuses of power and repugnant deception and manipulation and profiteering,...by those who hold themselves out as "good guys",...it's a helluva' lot harder NOT to hate them.

However, I simply cannot say that I hate ALL Republicans. That would be a lie.

slip slidin' away

I wish I had thought of it, thanks.

I'm here to share ideas with people who share a common political perspective.
Semantics, maybe, but I would prefer not to think of this site as being motivated by hatred.

Hate is destructive. I'm here to educate myself, stay on top of the issues that aren't covered in the corporate media, and hear different viewpoints.

other side is trying to destroy.

It is only coincidental that I hate totalitarian theo-cons.

My family is mostly GOP (lifelong too) and I don't hate them....

The ones who are thinking people and "True" Republicans, don't like anything about this administration except for their tax cuts, but even those they don't need and don't feel should be more important than taking care of our troops and our deficit.....

I joined the DU to have interesting discussions, learn perspectives and to vent when I just want to scream about what these bastards are doing to our Nation!

Peace and Namaste :hi:

this administration, and I don't really hate anyone. I just wish the radical right weren't running the country.

I wish we had people with vision helping us become less reliant on fossil fuel, for example, not just talking about it.

you have to admit that your vote is supporting a laundry list of bad legislation. Janeane Garafolo was right. Voting Republican is now a character flaw. What's happening is just too important to say "I'm for fiscal responsiblity, so I vote Republican (!)" but I don't support Bush on faith based initiatives, the environment, women's reproductive rights, the invasion of Iraq, the rehaul of Social Security, healthcare, education....
Bad things happen when good people do nothing.

I voted the same ticket as my leader with MoveOn, who was Republican. We both voted for Judge Greer and the sheriff who wasn't Bubba (forget his name), and otherwise we voted a Democratic ticket. DUers sound the same as Freepers when they attack people for who they are: Christian, Republican, whatever.

"What's happening is just too important to say "I'm for fiscal responsiblity, so I vote Republican (!)"

That is not even true, the republicans are horrible irresponsible fiscally. This just is another case where republicans vote without knowing anything and just are going by untrue stereotypes and misconceptions. Of course when they tune into Rush and FOX - who constantly lie to them, they are never going to know the truth.

I really believe lots of them are brainwashed.

for voting Republican is laughable. As you note. So...there really remains no reason to vote Republican, unless you support a religious government which prohibits choice on reproductive rights, invades countries based on lies, promotes legislation which fouls our air and water, promotes legislation which rewards corporations while we lack basic healthcare, and crusades against science and the arts.
Plus, so much more.

That shit doesn't cut it. But I hear it alot.

I'm for fiscal responsiblity, so I vote Republican.

Really? And what has it gotten you so far?

those who vote republican can't just back out of issues they don't support, NOT ANYMORE. Things are at a critical point in this country and a vote for them is a vote for the whole gawd damn package.

No more of this I'm socially liberal, but financially conservative. First of all is all a bunch of lies - which party is financially conservative??

Decent republican's everywhere are responsible for the current madness. Thier votes put some very dangerous people in charge of this country, and it's not just Bush and his asshole friends. It's the hundreds of asshole republican's from Tom Delay to Tom Tancredo.

Decent republican's will keep these people in office for years to come.

they voted for the destruction of our natural resources, the continued attacks on women's rights, the invasion of a sovereign nation and thousands of Americans deaths, the blurring of separation of church and state, the vilifying of the arts and the sciences, the breakdown of justice for working people under the guise of attacking trial lawyers and activist judges, corporate welfare, and a skyrocketing deficit. Think about what voting Republicans really means. The moderates are gone. They've been drummed out. We now have an active Taliban. Your desire to be an apologist for those who would destroy our country is puzzling.

especially in Florida. Many Republicans in Pinellas did not vote for Bush, while some Democrats did. Basically, Bush and Kerry were tied here, in a county with a Republican majority, so many of them voted for Kerry. See my response above.

at the local level. You wouldn't believe what the Republicans in our local government are up to in Georgia...rapists get a say in whether or not the victim has an abortion, decreased child support payments for "mad Dads" who are on their 3rd/4th marriages, desolution of sunshine laws -- legislation done secretly (better for business!), tax payer money for faith based organizations which prohibit based on gender, orientation, and race. And more. Read, carefully, what the "moderates" in your local government are doing. You might be very surprised.
This is how facism takes over. Local government is the start.

Is the photo in your sig line from King Kong?

Sorry about the first version of this message. After being on hold for a few minutes with a client she suddenly came back on the phone.

AValdoux

I can't wait for this movie!

Nominated. Thank you.

:hurts:

But I don't feel that I must disagree with everything he says. I mean that's counterproductive in a way. Instead you take his programs and his statements, look them over, and then figure out they are crap (or not).

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

What issue?

Bush sucks dog ass through a straw. He is always wrong. So are his lap-dogs in Congress and state houses. Ds are usually right or at least more often than not and D politicians do not suck as badly as Rs, are generally competent and occassionally do great things.

or else 50 other threads on it will pop up. ;)

That's the most damning indictment about DU I have heard. So much for free speech. I'm here to survey the depth of some Democrats, sentiment. Taking the political temperature, one might say. I sense being a liberal in 2005 is nothing like being a liberal in 1985.

Of course people her are going to loath the opposition party...but when they go on and on about corporations and businesses, my jaw never fails to drop.

and I really, really depise rightwingers. ...they have ruined America...not are ruining...ruined.

first they ruined it, now they are ruining it some more.

:)

Oh, yeah, and Dubya is the beast of Revelations.

I think some of the blanket hatred expressed here for Republicans in general reflects immaturity and emotionalism, which is not a good basis for constructive debate.

George W. Bush and the current crop of Neocons and the religious right do not represent the whole range of thoughts, attitudes, and philosophy of Republicans. Some people are Republicans because they were born that way - My mom was a member of the GOP all her life (she was born in a small town in Iowa) until the far-right extremists drove her to quit the GOP.

Nobody's wrong all the time, and I find that most thoughtful people choose their positions on various political issues Chinese-restaurant style: One from column A, two from column B, and with five or more you get free egg rolls. Deciding that you must oppose EVERYTHING that someone stands for seems to me an act of laziness. It's too easy to let someone else do your thinking for you.

"I do not wish to be known as just a Bush-hater.
I also hate Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Dennis Hastert, Senator Frist, Newt Gingrich, Tommy Thompson, Alan Greenspan, Donald Rumsfeld, Tony Snow, John Snow, etc., etc., all of the shills and liars and evil bastards who push the pro-corporate, anti-worker, anti-environment, anti-government, pro-war policies that comprise the Republican agenda."

Certainly I do not hate them because I disagree with them and nor do I disagree with them just because I hate them. I hate them because they are liars, thieves and murderers (or some combination, perhaps Greenspan is "only" a liar). I hate them because they oppress, poison, and steal from the working class and the public good in order to play some power game or to make the ridiculously wealthy even more ridiculous and more wealthy.

If I say that I hate Republicans, it does not necessarily mean "people who vote Republican" although I have a hard time seeing how a decent, honest, or compassionate person could do such a thing. I have a very hard time finding any Republican at the national level who is even a decent human being. Even if they are in private, they do not show it in their public persona. They destroy our discourse, our democracy, our country, and our planet, just for money and power.
I do not think hating them is immature at all.

The the Rs are turning this country into something very ugly. Maybe they are the motivating force or maybe they are puppets of the ruling class, but either way the effect is the same. It is not a matter of specific issues, but a culture of greed, arrogance and cruelty being perpetrated on the world and our own people.. The public is increasingly tolerant of these practices because they are being educated by corporate media to think that getting stuff for themselves is the only real ethic worth pursuing. They are slowing turning America into a totalitarian corporate plutocracy/theocracy with a small ruling class and the rest of us as serfs. Meanwhile, the god petroleum demands that we choke on our own exhaust.

Call it what you want, but I am no Christian and have no cause to pretend I don't hate Bush and what he stands for.

If you hate them they are winning because hate isn't good for anyone.
But considering them as the piles of shit they are is a different story.

I'm not siding with him on anything.

out of hate for any person. Rather I am here because I agree and love what the Democratic party represents. The different opinions don't drive me to hate, but they make me see that different paths need to be taken to reach and discuss the positive points of the Democratic party. We need to fight. But hate and anger will just get us in the cesspool of ill will. And that doesn't do anything for change, it just gets us right back to square one.

which side to take. That is why I feel most people here would understand Michael Schiavo's position if the knew the whole truth. And the best way to get that truth is to read the report of the Guardian Ad Litem who was chosen by both sides. If you do not want to read the whole report, because it is quite long, scroll down to the Historical Facts of the Theresa Schiavo Case.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/WolfsonReport.pdf

I haven't been on here since early this morning. Are we not allowed to mention the name of the case ?

I don't like to hate, but he just brings it out in me. I do love DU though. It give me hope, I am not alone.

by one outrage after another, by the sight of your country being dismantled, one check here, one balance there over the course of a few years.....

It's hard for horror and dismay NOT to harden into something like hatred.

Oh, and welcome to DU, toad12

:toast:

who knows what people in the Bush administration truly believe...they just want to keep control. Issues are purely for manipulation so that their power remains solidified. Their secret is to appear sincere. Bush acts very sincere. He may not comprehend the issue or bother to learn the complexities, but he has the sincerity down cold. And many Americans react to that. They feel safer and more righteous. And they don't have to work too hard figuring out all the angles. They just listen to his solemn sincerity and nod agreement. Never mind the long-term damage.

Whether you support something or oppose it because someone else supports it, you're making yourself too easy to manipulate. Figure it out for yourself and then support what you think is right.

as the contract on America and shut down the govt..This began the takeover {yrs in planning} of the US Govt,Constitution and the USA.. The repukes and with the cooperation or enabling of the Dems have now transformed the USA into a govt/corporat state where all power belong to the elites.The Bush crime family syndicate symbolizes all that is wrong in govt,business and America..All for them none for the commoners.
The coward from crawford will further cut the social safety net and wreck damage on the middle class cuz its the bush way and its in the veins of these red,white and blue-blooded traitors.

"Crippled now
My service done
Ignored by all
In Washington"

we have to be "pragmatic" (vote with bush and the wingnuts) to win swing voters and we should (((never))) criticize anything anybody with a "D" next to their name does or we are being "purists".

with bush, but if I ever do, I will SERIOUSLY research the issue, because the only conclusion will be that I must be horribly underinformed on it.

"If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to change your opinion."

However, for one example, Bush (or his cabal) proposed capping farm subsidies at $250,000. That seems progressive to me. Like you said though, I could be grossly misinformed, but alot of times I just see "knee-jerk" criticism/opposition rather than information which would enlighten me. Worse yet, the argument degenerates into personal attacks and/or name-calling.

Exercise - Bush has pushed an exercise agenda occasionally, and for a while kept up a good schedule himself.

I just remind myself that a broken clock is right twice a day.

really upholds "Republican" standards. I disagree with 99% of what these NeoCons are doing, and that is being generous. I know some good repubs who are wise enough to know when to step away from the party. The problem is that there seems to be so much involved in the label ... this weird fraternity-like loyalty, regardless of what is actually being accomplished within and an out and out refusal to acknowledge the missteps. I fear the religious right, the ignorant and the self centered ... but the only thing I truly hate is hypocrisy.

I have yet to see them be right about something. I have yet to see them do anything with pure motives. I don't see why they would start now.
The Professor

that has grown to white hot pure hatred of this man and all associated with him. I've watched as he and his minions have taken our country and drove it into the ground.
Starting with this new breed of republican that started appearing in the 90's to this current version, I've moved along a curve, from annoyance to absolute detestation of anyone who supports this idiot.
We're moving to wards a war in this country, standing on the sidelines is a luxury that very few can afford.
We aren't dealing with the old fiscal conservative republican any longer, these people don't no the meaning of compromise, the sooner we realize who we're dealing with the better.

I came here to figure out a way to bury them.
Before they bury me.
I DO hate them, though, yup, can't help it... chalk that one up to obviously being raised right.
I can't really think of a single issue coming outta there camp in the last, what, 25 years? (!!!) that I've agreed with...
I'm not by nature a hater.
You have to suck like a Hoover to rate my ire.
Interestingly, Bush just happens to suck JUST LIKE A HOOVER.
Herbert, to be precise...

I WILL FREE YOU ALL!!!

YOU'RE NEXT, IRAN!!!

D
"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."

But I seem to find myself always on the opposite side of Republicans on every issue. I take comfort in that.

I don't like rattlesnakes, black widows, scorpions or sharks either but they have a right to exist and are sometimes necessary predators. As for these other folks,these shills and whores who hang out in D.C. As far as I can see they are just not necessary for squat.


Here read a wingers ideas for a second (If i was a politician i would be scared too :scared: ), the two sides homogenized opinions are getting closer than they ever have, it's no wonder they wrote the patriot act.

The Constitution Has Become Irrelevant
By Colonel Dan

I once wrote a column asking if the Bill of Rights was irrelevant. I will now change that question into a declarative statement and say that the Constitution, although remaining the political ideal of American freedom, has become realistically irrelevant—made so by unprincipled politicians and apathetic Americans.

"No way colonel!" Read on, then you tell me.

Would it be fair to say that any code of law which is incrementally ignored over the years, eventually becomes irrelevant? If not "irrelevant", what do you call it when the foundation of our country— its fundamental principles of freedom —is increasingly ignored with arrogant impunity by the governing body it was designed to rein in and a growing number of citizens don't realize it or care?

Can you ignore parts of the concept upon which our country was founded and still regard that concept as whole? No, because to ignore part shows a political mind-set of disrespect for constitutional law and inevitably leads to a disregard of the whole document, eventually rendering the entire Constitution irrelevant. If there is no respect for or strict enforcement of all its principles, nor a price to be paid for its violation, the entire concept will ultimately become meaningless. Simply put, removing a brick here and there soon causes the structure to fall.
(snip)
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/06/27/colonel.htm

To hate something is to attach yourself to it even more firmly and permanently.

To hate something is to risk becoming the very thing you hate.

To get rid of something, you must give up the hatred first.

its Constitution, its ideals, we the people, the promote the general welfare doctrine andor in violation of an oath of office taken by any/everyone in the Federal establishment who must take such. For the good of our own mental health, hate/despise the policy/action, not the maker of such.

That's right, I don't think D.U. is a "why can't we all just get along, it's time that we bury our differences" site.
Fuck these Republican Bastards!

since he was selected. I detest him and all his policies.


Oh, and for the free coffee.

this administration.

That is why when people are allowed to make hundreds, somtimes thousands of posts that are supportive of this administration whether it's Schiavo, abortion, gay marriage etc...it chaps my ass that they are still here.

You might also notice that none of the people that racked up hundreds of posts this weekend on this issue claiming we are against life in this matter have posted on this thread.

The events of this weekend just made some trolls post counts go way up..and I say that as someone who looks at post content rather than post count.

In my view this does not mean Democratic Party.

I am a member of the Green Party and I feel at home here.

The following expresses my views regarding this thread.

"I do not wish to be known as just a Bush-hater.
I also hate Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Dennis Hastert, Senator Frist, Newt Gingrich, Tommy Thompson, Alan Greenspan, Donald Rumsfeld, Tony Snow, John Snow, etc., etc., all of the shills and liars and evil bastards who push the pro-corporate, anti-worker, anti-environment, anti-government, pro-war policies that comprise the Republican agenda."

Certainly I do not hate them because I disagree with them and nor do I disagree with them just because I hate them. I hate them because they are liars, thieves and murderers (or some combination, perhaps Greenspan is "only" a liar). I hate them because they oppress, poison, and steal from the working class and the public good in order to play some power game
or to make the ridiculously wealthy even more ridiculous and more wealthy." hfojvt

:yourock:

:yourock: too!

I think hate is unhealty.

I would think we are here to discuss ways to make Ameriica a better place and ways to achieve those goals.

Remember to keep the eyes on the prize. Yesterday shouln't be an obsession, instead it should be a lesson on how to do better. We do need to learn from mistakes, both ours and other people's. We should learn how not to repeat them. And do better next time.

I n 44 short months, Bush will be no more than a question in Trivial Pursuit. We need to find a way to make sure we don't get his brother as a replacement, but someone who will do what the people need.

No one tells me what my opinion is going to be. I can come up with that all on my own. It happens that 99% of the time I side with the Democrats. This is part of the 1% of the time I don't. Tom DeLay and Bush do not factor in to any decision I make in life and I barely think about them at all.

If Bush says he doesn't want the U.S. to be attacked again, will you decide you DO want the U.S. to be attacked just so you can have the opposite opinion? If so, you should apply for membership in Mensa. You're a genius.

It is odd when Dems accused the Repukes of latching on to this issue like a teddy bear (and they most certainly ARE), but yet the Dems have grabbed the leg of the teddy bear and won't let go.

I think it's ridiculous to automatically be against anything that somebody does just because you hate them, so everything they do is automatically bad and sucks regardless of what it actually is. I think this is a childish mentality.

I hate bush and I think he is the worst president ever, but I don't automatically hate everything he/his administration do without judgment. If you hate by default without judgment you're no better than a far right wacko. This type of stuff pisses me off, like people at the opening of Fahrenheit 9/11 that haven't seen the movie yet cheering loudly as the movie fades in. Thats dumb. Cheer at the end, sheep.

For example - Isn't Bush one of, or the first president to actually provide financial support for Palestinians? He said he will ask congress for $350 million for Palestine at his state of the union address. I applauded that, though I booed most of the rest of his speech. I didn't NOT watch his speech under the claim that everything he says is going to be completely terrible before hand, go online afterward and read some far-left blog summaries of it, and then complain to others based off this info like a dumbass.

the $350 million for the Palestinians? Think Congress is going to give that to them? Think about it. Take a look at the budget. At the deficit. You've been Bushwhacked.
The Bush Happy Talk about cleaning up gang violence under Laura's benevolent guidance (the woman couldn't bear being a librarian for heaven's sake!), getting rid of steroid use in professional sports, and alternative energy sources is just smoke screen diversion to pacify the mindless. Don't you see? Nothing happens. None of that State of the Union happy talk happens. We don't have healthcare. We haven't found who killed Americans with anthrax. The White House staffer who outed a CIA agent (treasonous offense) hasn't been named. Bin Laden hasn't been found. "Dead or Alive". Oil prices are higher. Maybe you actually believed the "Iraq oil will pay for the costs of the invasion". The troops aren't coming home. Bush makes lots of bold claims. He reels folks (like you) in with his cowboy boasts. Lots of generous sounding offers (well, after he's shamed into them...see the tsunami before and after donations). But it's just talk.
Let me know when the Palestinians get their check. I'm sure it's in the mail.

Ok, I will let you know if they get their check or not. I know it very well may be just a bunch of hot air out of his mouth that might not happen. I know his track record is horrible. Don't get me wrong, he doesn't sucker me in. I just think that his publicly declared intention of wanting to support Palestine was fairly bold and something I know of no other president having one, something that should have been done from the start. Something that deserves a thumbs up - whether it will happen is a different story.

at least the Palestinians got a mention. For a change. I agree with you. That's more than what we've seen. I'm just very suspicious of this administration. Too much of their agenda is "Blue Skies"... saying one thing while doing another. And there is absolutely no accountability. No follow-up.
Thanks for your reply. Well stated.

The bastard is slime. I wonder if he ever came up with the $$$ he pledged for the Tsunami victims? I somehow doubt it.

the repukes stand for. Just ONE.

NO he isn't the first to give the Palestinians $$$$. We have given them Millions over the years and Arafat put it in Swiss Bank accounts for him and his wife. He didn't use it for his people.

regardless of who is at fault. that and I'm (for a while still anyway) a democrat.

I don't agree with him on this issue, but if he said he liked angel food cake, should I never eat it again?

:evilgrin:


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...and that has NOTHING to do with the Idiot in Chief!!

I assume you can "Get" that???

Technically, not brain dead, but no credible source says she's responsive. Her cortex is mush. She's reflexive.

Bush knows she's gone, too. That doesn't stop him; it's good politics.

--IMM

I don't want to torture my family if I can not communicate, then I am trapped in my body and suffering terribly. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE terminate me if I am a mindless automaton. Can you imagine being stuck as a brain-stem in a decaying body that you can't even tell anybody about all the awful pain you are feeling. OMG - please save me from this. If ANY Republican OR Democrat tries to force you to keep me alive as a vegetable - I implore you to destroy that person at all cost - even if you have to kill them to save me. This is my wish.

...So which is it?

I guess I was taking liberties in my arguement - imagining what it might be like for someone who had a working mind, but couldn't tell people how miserable it was not being able to escape. Can you imagine the insanity of a person like that? People in solitary confinement for long enough inevitably will go insane - OMG!! the thought is so terrible I can't even imagine!!

which medical school did you attend?

Wasn't there gonna be pizza later?

but we can never agree on the toppings! the vegans want only vegetarian, the aging hippies want their mushrooms, the Clarkies want the meat-lovers, the Dean folks want whatever the Clark people don't, the woo-woos are checking their horoscope, the Christians want to say grace beforehand and the atheists don't, the tinfoil hat brigade fears the pizza company is controlled by Skull & Bones, the skeptics still doubt the existence of pizza.


And then Grovel-bot hogs the whole damn thing and leaves these big chunks of crust everywhere!

I often don't know what they're talking about. After scanning (not really reading every word) about seventy-something responses to this one, I still don't know, but my best guess is that #69 is what you're talking about. Why the furtiveness? I've seen several threads like this recently, and I just don't get it. I'm skeptical of this whole thread.

But to answer your question, no, I don't hate Shrubler and Rethugs, yet. Despise, yes. Hate, well, not yet, but I'm getting closer. Give me awhile.

Is there any place for hate? Under what circumstances are we allowed to feel hate?

I love my country and I love my children. If someone tries to destroy those things, I will feel hate. I won't apologize for being human. I guess I could say I find them 'particularly distasteful' or 'fairly well troubling', but that would be a lie. I hate these people - not your everyday brainwashed republican rube - I have some sympathy for them. But these politicians, fully aware of what they are doing, I hold them in high contempt. These people are traitors to the country, the Constitution, and to their constituents.

BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are bots intent on destruction--they cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be appealed to, they cannot be made to feel someone elses pain or think of it. They are crass, lying, ruthless, rude, brazen thugs. All applied with naked incompetence that has many (your neighbors, the press) in denial in the face of this whole picture.

To make it clear how we differ from them is the only, only way to survive this period with any credibility intact. No rationalization, no strategic concessions, nothing will alter the fact that these people are intent on destroying any ideals and accomplishments that liberalism and progressivism and egalitarianism have so painstakingly built.

And puritanistically denying that we hate Bush and what he stands for will not help.

This is not a parlor game here, this is an exchange of ideas and data that many of us use to go out into the world around ourselves and do our little part to bring about change. If some us are motivated partly by hatred of this man and his deeds then that's OK. We are also motivated by love of country and loving memory of those who fought to construct what good there is in the world and care for our fellow beings.

weary head. After being in servitude to a cult religion for nearly 30 years I finally broke free. Now I am my own person and make my own decisions and my decision is to hate, yes hate all the haters, vociferous, mean spirited, evil pretend to be Christians dumping all their puked up garbage on the really decent and truly caring people left in this country and world. DOES GOD HATE? YES HE DOES, JUST READ IN THE BIBLE HOW MANY TIMES HE SAYS HE HATES LIARS. And to be sure for all the Christian folks he is not bringing (your Hellfire/Armageddon) because he loves them rather isn't it because he hates the bad wicked evil deeds committed by many and many he knows are down right evil through and through. "By it's fruit you shall know the tree, A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit" by Jesus Christ.

and I'm a Republican.

Bush is not.

Let's assume what we you say is true.

You have here group A, which claims to exists totally and completely in mindless opposition to the EVIL its enemy, B, represents. B is so evil--and has brainwashed its followers so completely--that mindlessly following doctrine of A is the only hope to prevent the EVIL of B from maliciously taking over everything A holds dear.

Now fill in A and B with whatever you like:
{DU,FR}
{FR,DU}
{DNC,RNC}
{RNC,DNC}
{USA,USSR}
{USSR,USA}
{Irish Catholics, Irish Protestants}
{Irish Protestants, Irish Catholics}
{Al Qaida, Neocons}
{Necons, Al Qaida}
{Fascists, Socialists}
{Socialists, Fascists}
{Allies, Axis}
{Axis, Allies}
{Union, Confederacy}
{Confederacy, Union}
{Right-Wing Israelis, Intefadah}
{Intefadah, Right-Wing Israelis}
{India, Pakistan}
{Pakistan, India}

But although in every other situation this above statement, though held as dearly as you hold yours, is either clearly wrong or a gross over simplification of things, {DNC,RNC} and {DU,FR} are entirely acceptable and truthful.

Out side DU I am. Too many annoying, dumb people in the world.

And my fear that it is being pushed towards Democracy.

I'm motivated by measured, focused rage.
:evilgrin: