Cause of Schiavo's Ailment...

Was being discussed at school today.

Was it a result of:
A) Teri's eating disorder causing a chemical imbalance which caused a cascading crash of her vital functions

or

B) Her husband beating her?


Someone said the latter, but i had not heard that.... is it true?

Even if it was the former, did he in fact beat her?

Thanks for clearing this up...

no to all? please elaborate....

Take some time and read this:

http://www.abstractappeal.com

Pay close attention to the report on Terri Schiavo by Jay Wolfson.

Good info - debunks a lot of the lies the parents' camp is telling

Terri's condition was a result of her bulimia.

Michael has NEVER even been charged with harming her and there is no evidence to suggest he did.

i figgered it was bunk

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

I think you'll find it helpful.

Michael and was dismissed by the court as having no merit or evidence...pure hogwash. Just shows how out of tough the parents are. After 15 years they have nothing else in their life and they can't let her go. They will be as empty as she is when she's gone. They should have let her go many years ago. If they had...they'd now have developed a life of their own and would probably be active and well adjusted people. Taking Terri off the tube will eventually lift a huge burden from their lives. I just pray they can eventually find some peace. As long as Terri's heart beats they will be in Limbo.

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

Good factual stuff re: Schiavo.

I keep posting on anyone who posts that link because it is excellent and unbiased. A must read on this issue.

at least the way I read it. Basically both Michael and the Schindlers love Terri, however they differ on how to treat this problem.

It might lessen some of the redundancy of addressing the facts.

bulimia is a type of eating disorder but I can't recall if its when they force themselves to throw up or when they stop eating. I think the former.

is binging and/or purging.


Anorexia is refusal to eat.

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...can include both induced vomiting and the use of laxatives (the idea being to speed food through the system so a minimum is absorbed (which to a bulimic equates to "adds fat").

Both can seriously deplete the body of some nutrients, In Mrs. Schaivo's case, severe depletion of potassium and other electrolytes caused the heart attack which left her in her present condition.

Terri's Law(s), etc., are just his way of coping with the guilt.

snicker

guh

A. Terri's heart stopped and she collapsed due to an imbalance of potassium/sodium in her blood. She had recently lost a lot of weight and there are questions about bullemia. She also reportedly drank excessive amounts of iced tea. Either or both may have caused the imbalance. By the time Terri was resuscitated, her brain had suffered permanent damage from a lack of oxygen.

The thinking is that it was cause from bulimia.

Her husband did not beat her or strangle her or anything else. IF there was any evidence of her husband causing her current condition, the doctors sued during the malpractic trail would have surely brought that up.

http://www.abstractappeal.com/

There has never been any accusation of physical abuse by Michael. This abuse question seems to have arisin from Michael requesting to remove the feeding tube, and someone is calling that abuse. The rumor mill took it from there.

which could have been caused by her eating disorder. I read somewhere she had cramps, which can be a symptom.

When you lose water, you can get a potassium imbalance. Becoming overheated, vomiting, diuresis could all cause such a condition. Drinking orange juice or Gatorade, eating bananas can help prevent this condition.

And it was determined that bulimia caused her heart attack. No charges were made.

A couple of years thereafter, the parents made a report of abuse, after the husband refused to give them a part of the settlement money, and the court found there was no abuse. At that time, they looked at all of the medical evidence.

and certainly EVERY BRUISE on a patient's body at least once a day during a top to toe assessment. No bruises, no ligature marks, no cuts, and no abrasions that could have come from physical aggression of any type were ever documented.

This is just more shit thrown at a good man by the EVIL on the right, and I'm constantly disheartened when people on DU fall for it.

Eating disorders, especially those which involve purging through vomiting and laxative abuse, deplete the body of potassium. Lower the potassium enough and the heart becomes irritable and starts a chaotic and fatal rhythm. Brain damage occurs within 4 minutes if CPR is not begun immediately. Schiavo was down for at least 5 minutes before the paramedics arrived.

They were able to resuscitate her. She improved to the point of being able to breathe without a ventilator. However, everything else is gone. Her memories, her personality, everything that was Terry Schiavo died when her cerebral cortex did.

with Michael have testified that he was dangerous. Friends of Terri claim she was afraid of Michael and that he would do things like monitor her odometer, show anger over money spent by her. One claimed that she was worried about seeing him the night she collapsed because he was angry over money she spent to have her hair done. This person asked Terri if she wanted to spend the night at her place so she would not have to go home. Terri decided to return home.

Michael claims he found Terri face down on the hall floor gurgling. He says he picked her up and held her. Her brother claims she was face down on the floor when he arrived and that she was gurgling with her hands held to her neck.

How likely is it that her brother would describe THE SAME POSITION AS MICHAEL. It would seem more likely if the brother were making this up he would have at least a slightly different telling of the position of Terri than Michael claims Terri was in when he found her. Yet if Michael is to be believed Terri would NOT HAVE BEEN ON HER STOMACH when her brother arrived. If Michael had held her in his arms and had to set her back down he would not have returned her to her face.

When Terri was first admitted a bone scan was requested for a head injury. The scan showed several injuries. Some say this is from her eating disorder weakening her bones to the point where the fall caused fractures. Others believe they were caused by abuse.

While i feel there is SERIOUS reason to suspect Michael, i am not a member of this family, nor am i a member of the court system they have gone through. I feel that Congress has NO RIGHT TO GET INVOLVED.

I have been involved in the decision to end life support for a loved one. I feel that this is a valuable right, for a family to stand for the choice of the loved one.

In this case i am not convinced that Michael is looking out for Terri's best interests but this is between Michael, Terri's family and the courts in their state.

I will add that the life or death of this woman is no more the right of the people HERE to use for political statement than it is for
Congress. Many people have been expressing JOY/FURY and winning/losing in their stance over this case. The only person who can WIN/LOSE in this case is TERRI. If her rights are honestly regarded than she wins, if they are not she loses. Since she did not have her wishes in writing we will most likely NEVER know what her true wishes were.


edited to add excepts of ex girlfriend Cindy Shook's deposition

>>>"He came on the floor looking for me several times. I felt it was out of character for him to get a job as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to me. When he would come up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the first time but later was scared.

In town I would look up when I was driving…not at my work- she would look up in the rear view mirror and there would be Michael Schiavo. I would look up and he would be behind me in traffic. It continued for several months after he didn’t work at the hospital. She would change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the same. He did this about ten times.

One time he was behind me in traffic he got next to me in a two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes basically right on top of where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I had to swerve off the road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as stalking, dangerous and guessed potentially life threatening."<<<

Cindy testified that Michael claims he did not know Terri's wishes. A coworker of his also testified that he made similar statements to her.

>>>"How the hell should I know we never spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I know? We were young. We never spoke of this."<<<

I also wanted to add that THREE nurses, Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn Johnson, testified that they had seen Michael displaying abusive behavior towards Terri.

Letter to Hospice regarding Michael's lack of permission to test and treat Terri for a virus (possible pneumonia, mentioned in a later link by the Guardian Ad Litem.)
http://www.hospicepatients.org/hosp-conspires-to-kill-terri---father-s-plea-for-treatment-3-18-03-ltr.html

Report of Dr. William M. Hammesfahr who had spent several days examining Terri.
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/Hammesfahrexam.htm

Affidavit of Dr. William M. Hammesfahr regarding Terri's brain scan.
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/Hammesfahr%20Aff%20060101.pdf

Deposition of Dr. Hammesfahr re Neck Injury similar to strangulation case
http://www.hospicepatients.org/hammesfahr-depo-neck-inj-similar-to-strangulation-case.pdf

Report of Guardian Ad Litem Richard-Pearse-Jr-12-29-98 re Terri Schiavo. He moves that the petition for removal be denied.
http://www.hospicepatients.org/richard-pearse-jr-12-29-98-report-of-guardianadlitem-re-terri-schiavo.pdf

Audio of Michael's ex girlfriend.
http://www.hospicepatients.org/girlfriend.mp3


Three of Terri's friends on Greta Van Sustren.
http://www.penraker.com/archives/001370.html
>>>GRETA: Jackie, Did Terri every discuss her relationship with Michael with you?

JACKIE: Um, she was unhappy in her relationship. She was talking to me about moving out, um, she wanted to get an apartment with me. We discussed where we would live, furniture, um because I was married at the time, we were both going to move in together, and just start over.

GRETA: Did she express what was the unhappiness in her marriage to you?

JACKIE: Michael was very controlling. She was not allowed to go anywhere after work, she had to go straight home after work. He would monitor the mileage on her car, and on the weekends went we went anywhere, he would want to know where we were going and I would be the one that would drive all the time. Not that that was a issue, but , um, he would always find some excuse for him to have the car.

And

GRETA: We are joined by Terri’s friends - Jackie Rhodes, Diane Meyer and Joe Shannon. Diane before we went to break I asked you about the marriage between Michael and Terri. Can you describe it for me, specific incidents?

DIANE: Well, I think Jackie brought up a good point when she said that Michael was controlling. I can tell you this, that was pervasive at the beginning of their relationship.Michael controlled….

GRETA: What do you mean by controlled?

DIANE: He systematically eliminated anyone from her past that wasn’t a Schiavo. He surrounded her in the Schiavo - I call it “clan” They… she only went out with Schiavos, when she was up here. and systematically, you know, myself, her other friends from childhood from Pickwell, were all cut out of Terri’s life. The way messages that were left for her weren’t received, uh left for her, weren’t received. Uh, and she felt we were not talking to her. And he could shoot her a look, and she would shutup.

GRETA: Jackie, any suggestion that the relationship every got physical between, in a physical abuse way, between Michael and Terri

JACKIE: I did notice bruises on her upper arms and upper legs. But I just contributed those to maybe running into a desk at work, or maybe she was extra sensitive, but now, hindsight tells me that I did see them quite frequently, and that they may have been more than just a bump into the desk.

GRETA: Alright, you didn’t see anything, no black eye, or anything like that, no facial bruises, correct?

JACKIE: No, they were mostly bruises where normally they would be covered up, you know, during the workday. Maybe by a skirt.

GRETA: What kind of, how were they, were these bruises like someone bumped you, or someone grabbed you? I mean is there, obviously you’re guessing but …

JACKIE: They were smaller bruises like maybe someone had grabbed her. Or you know, like squeezed her arm or leg really tight.

And

GRETA: Jackie, I wonder what people are saying about this where you live now?

JACKIE: I get calls all day long because I’ve made it clear that I was friends with her, and you know, not all the media has told the whole story, and I’ve been sure to tell them that you know, Michael and Terri were talking about divorcing at the time, um. She was not happy in her marriage, and she wanted out, and I don’t feel it should be Michael’s decision to have the feeding tube removed. I think he should give up her right, his guardian rights, to her parents.

GRETA: Diane, did you ever hear Terri mention whether she wanted to be on prolonged care of any kind?

DIANE: We had a discussion, which I testified to in the trial in the year 2000. About Karen Anne Quinlan. In which Terri made it VERY clear to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she did not approve of removing Karen Anne Quinlan from the life support. Her quote was exactly “Where there’s life, there’s hope” THAT’s Terri. That’s what people need to know. There’s only three people in the world who have heard her say anything different. And they’re all named Schiavo. All her friends and family will resoundingly tell you, that is not her character, to say that she would not want to be on life support, and to put her family through this.

GRETA: Alright, Jackie, Diane, Joe, thank you all. <<<

Rense article
http://www.rense.com/general43/replyto.htm

Afidavit of one of Terri's caretakers
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/cjohnsonaff.pdf

Affidavit of T Capone. Former nursing staff and supposed one-time friend of Michael.
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/AffidavitTCapone050901.pdf

Affidavit of H Law Former Caregiver
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/hlawaffidavit.htm

Affidavit of Dr. Fred Webber
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/Affidavit%20Fred%20Webber.htm

Affidavit of Dr. William Russell
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/DrRussellaffidavit.htm

Affidavit of Dr. Richard Neubauer
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/DrNeubauerAffidavit.htm

Affidavit of Dr. Jacob Greene
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/Affidavit%20Jacob%20Green.htm

Affidavit of Dr. Alexander Gimon
http://www.apfn.org/Schiavo/alexGimonAffidavit082503.htm

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