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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:27 PM
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Poll question: Do you want to be kept alive if you suffered brain damage?
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 04:02 PM by dhinojosa
I don't believe this has ever been asked as of late. So, if you had brain damage identical to Terri's, would you want to be kept alive?


(2nd Edit....by popular demand :) )
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:32 PM
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1. My wife and I have already spoken about this.
I have friend whose wife is in the last stages of Alzheimer's and my wife and I both agree that dieing once is bad enough. My daughter is on board as well.

Living wills are in place and I have a copy of Final Exit.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:33 PM
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2. There is a WIDE range of "brain damage". Your question is a bad
set up.

Brain damaged so my memory isn't what it was? I'll live.

Brain damaged so I'm in PVS like Terri? Let me drift away.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:36 PM
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3. Exactly. Next thing I know, someone would come with a poll
Would you like to be kept alive if you hurt you big toe?
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:48 PM
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4. If you hurt you big toe there is no need to question...
It's not something that causes you to be a vegetable.

Sheesh, talk about bad questions.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:50 PM
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5. Well, brain damage doesn't necessarily cause you to
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 03:51 PM by lizzy
be a vegetable.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:52 PM
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6. But back to the point - only some brain damage would result in vegetative
state.

Much brain damage simply results in some degree of diminished capacity.

I think the question might be better framed this way: if you were in persistent vegetative state, and moost of your cerebral cortex was liquified, would you want to be kept alive on life support indefinitely or would you rather be allowed to die?
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:57 PM
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8. That's why my Q stated: With Terri S. in mind.....
:)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:59 PM
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10. With Terri in mind, there is a WIDE range of degrees of brain damage,
If you mean "brain damage identical to Terri's" that's a different question.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:01 PM
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12. Ugh. Goddamn I am being nickel and dimed on this one.
Alright here comes another edit.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:52 PM
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7. Depends on the extent of the damage.
I mean, in some cases brain damage simply means loss of short term memories, in others it means you have to relearn how to walk, in still others it means you have no cognitive function left whatsoever.

So, I can't answer the question as phrased. If I am damaged to the extent that I can never again walk, talk, emote, eat, or engage in interactions with other living things in any meaningful way, yeah, toast my ass.

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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:57 PM
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9. Very badly phrased poll.
Brain damage encompasses a wide spectrum of effects and possible debilitation.

Would I want to be sustained if my cerebral cortex were disintegrated and I had an IQ of 0, as in this woman's case? I suspect that the overwhelming majority of Americans would say no, myself included.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:59 PM
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11. I *did* suffer brain damage..
Five years ago I had a stroke. I couldn't speak, or I spoke very poorly. A piece of brain is missing now; replaced by spinal fluid.
(I miss it sometimes :)
My family did not put me out of my misery.
Today I am doing well. Back to work, some driving, shopping and all that.

I type okay because I can edit it, but I can't write like I used to.
I even speak now... just had to relearn a lot of words.
The brain is an amazing organ...

When you are faced with adversity, you can either give up or fight... I chose to fight.
Some people don't even know they have adversity, and that is when a living will and power of attorney becomes necessary.

I'd have to say I agree that you are asking your question
in the wrong way.

I have a living will, by the way, that has my wishes clearly expressed.
I told my family that I have a living will, power of attorney, and final directive.
However, I don't know if my fundie family would try to overrule my beloved on these things.
I would hope NOT.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:13 PM
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26. Thanks for sharing your potential issues with your family.
I'm SHOCKED that so many on DU assume the parents are virtuous and noble and good.

There are so many people out there who wouldn't want their families to ever be the deciding factor.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:01 PM
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13. The poll should read: If you have the brain power of Tickle Me Elmo
would you want them to remove the batteries? :bounce:
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:03 PM
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14. hahah
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:05 PM
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15. Not No, But HELL NO!
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 04:14 PM by Beacho
If the brain is non functioning then I'm already gone.

The bag of meat that moves me around and allows me to interact with this environment is not me.

I have a question, why does it seem that so many 'christians' are terrified of death?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:13 PM
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17. They just think since jesus suffered on the cross then we all should
Fundies LOVE to glorify suffering and heart renching situations because their whole belief system is based on someone doing that just for them. That's what it seems like anyway.
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:31 PM
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19. Unless it's them, of course
It just seems to me that for believers in a faith where this world is a veil of tears and eternal bliss waits on the other side, that fear of death would be minimal.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:07 PM
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16. No. Nothing For Severe Damage
My wife loves ME, the person, not me, the mass of tissues. If i can't be the person she wants as she knows me, i don't want to burden anybody.

I'm firm on that.
The Professor
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:20 PM
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18. It depends on the extent of the damage
If there's hope for me to be able to function, I say hook me up. But after I get hooked up to life support and there's no change for the better, I'd say pull the plug and let me die naturally.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:40 PM
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20. Well, at the risk of getting flamed...
I'd leave it to my loved ones. I'd already be too far gone it wouldn't matter to me. It would be up to them - they would be the ones to suffer emotionally and/or financially. Though after this I'd say I'd like all my loved ones to have a say.

Also, I'd want Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy treatment, Tomatis listening therapy and an intensive rythmic program like Bal-a-Vis-X to see if some of the brain could rebuild. There's a lot of alternative therapy treatment for brain injury that I bet this woman has never gotten. There's also some studies indicating some brain regrowth possible but its controversial. Anyways, I'd want all the alternatives tried before they gave up.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:43 PM
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21. Don't you miss the good old days 1000 years
ago when people just died when it was their time to go instead of getting into this mystery science theatre. Pretty soon we will all be brains floating in a glass bottle kept alive.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:55 PM
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22. Especially if I regain my youthful weight!
Eventually they will install a vote for Bush brain in me and while that may be worse than death itself, I would leave just enough distal clues around to start the insurrection! And say it was Jehovah's will! Back from the brain dead!
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:57 PM
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23. Not only no, but fuck no
I'm going to go see a lawyer and talk to all of my relatives. If it's my time, let me go. For them and for me. Closure...
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:57 PM
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24. I wouldn't care -- I would no longer be there to care.
But how do I feel now? Easy: I wouldn't want the resources to be wasted keeping a dead body breathing.

So, I didn't find any category in which to 'vote.'
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:11 PM
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25. For myself: remove feeding tube, administer morpine, let me fade away
That's what I'd choose for myself.

And I'd respect the choices others make for themselves.

Thanks for reframing the question. :-)
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:14 PM
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27. It depends
Am I in a PVS state, then no I don't want to continue to live.
Was it just a little knock on the boggin and I can recover most of my faculties, then yes I'd want to live.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:17 PM
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28. It depends how serious the damgae
If I were like Terrio, pull the plug, the tube, the iv.....
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 07:40 PM
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29. only if I can shit my pants.
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Satara Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:04 PM
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30. identical ? No.
If I was brain dead for more than a year I think I would prefer to let nature take it's course.

I would want to stay alive for awhile though in the off chance of something medical that could improve or cure my situation.

My last wishes are a mix of medical science and nature.
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 04:07 PM
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31. no
and that is why my living will has those very wishes documented, signed and notarized. This is something we all need. An ounce of prevention... and all that.
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