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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:29 PM
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If it's all about life, why aren't we involved in Sudan?
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steinberg/cst-nws-stein21.html

"This is about defending life," said Scott McClellan, the White House press secretary, trying to explain the extraordinary paroxysm of government activity this weekend. A frenzy that saw the generally inert Congress working late into the night and the constantly recreating President Bush cutting short a weekend on his Texas ranch to hurry back to Washington.

He's exactly right. But what is "defending life" about? It is, of course, a code phrase for a set of religious values. People do not "defend life" by pushing for universal health care or for immediate action in Sudan -- activities that would defend life in the usual sense of the term. No, in this country, "defending life" has come to mean a specific moral agenda: no abortion, limited stem cell research, no assisted suicide, no death with dignity.

Like any brand of extremism, the "defend life" philosophy breeds irrationalities -- the zealot who loves life so much he murders an abortion doctor; the life-affirming protesters holding enormous photos of mutilated fetuses up to cringing pedestrians on Madison Street.

The particulars of the Terri Schiavo case are unimportant -- there are decisions such as this made in hospitals across the country every day, patients beyond hope being allowed to enter the final stage of life. What is important -- frighteningly important -- is that the federal government, caught in the thrall of its religious supporters, is trying to exert its raw power to win a symbolic victory in a religious debate. This isn't about saving one brain-dead woman. This is about wrenching the country back to some imagined Eden.

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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:31 PM
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1. Good question
If its all about life, what the hell are we doing in Iraq?
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:35 PM
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2. About life..what about the 18,000 that die each year due to lack of health
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 03:35 PM by RedEarth
insurance coverage?.....see NYT...Jan. 12, 2005
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:38 PM
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3. If it is all about life - why the ban on Stem Cell Research
Stem cell research is NOT ABORTION - in my faith --- and I am a person of faith -- that distinction is clearly drawn, and stem cell research is clearly permitted because it may lead to life saving therapies.

I am a diabetic. Stem cell research has yielded therapies that manage diabetes in mice and prevent the deterioration that leads to premature death in diabetics.

Other researchers have reported stem cell matrice methods of growing electro-contractile heart muscle tissue that manages killer congestive heart failure.

This is not about life. This is kissing the butts of the young earth creationist crowd.

I am glad I have Professional Engineer licenses in Ontario and Saskatchewan.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:49 PM
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6. I envy you -
because if I had your credentials, I'd get the hell outta this country before things get any worse - and with four more years of Republicans at the helm, I'm afraid there's not much hope. Anyway, good luck to you.
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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:29 PM
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13. My stepbrother is a quad...
and could certainly benefit from such research. From what I understand, we should be grateful for life (however base) and suck it up. Apparently, my brother is not disabled enough to warrent consideration. It's about life - not quality of life ... "hey, we let you live, isn't that enough?"
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:40 PM
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4. Obviously...its NOT about LIFE at all...
Its about pwer, control & manipulation.

Thye make me :puke:
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 03:43 PM
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5. Sudan? hahaha!
Sudan is full of black people who have nothing we want.

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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:07 PM
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9. Unless -
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 04:08 PM by libhill
They discover tons of oil beneath the Sudan sands, in which event we'll have to send Halliburton, uh, I mean soldiers over there, to free the Sudanese from the evil dictator, who undoubtedly was involved in 911, and who poses a terrible threat to our freedom. Bush worshipers will believe anything, and the Repukes know it.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:20 PM
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11. The Congo, too
Horrific atrocities happening there now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1672684

Those are some values of shrubya & his cult.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:22 PM
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12. You nailed it!
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 04:24 PM by Dulcinea
The same can be said for the Congo, Zimbabwe, & plenty of other places Boy George can't find on a map.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:06 PM
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7. Keep it kicked n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:06 PM
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8. KICK
KICK

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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:13 PM
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10. kick
:kick:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:31 PM
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14. white xtian life
It's about the right kind of people's lives... namely, white christians or wannabe white christians.

Forget poor people of color in foreign countries... they don't count, especially if they don't have oil or a place to outsource business and get cheap or free labor.. like India or China.

Sue
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:37 PM
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18. You are absolutely right -
But what I can't, I don't, I'll never comprehend, is why in the H E double L, can't the American voters see through all of this bullshit? It's so damned frustrating, I just don't get it - someone please explain to me, how anyone with anything between their ears besides a vacuum, could vote for Bush and the Repukes in good conscience?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:31 PM
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15. becuase it's not about life...it's about politics of distraction and image
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:34 PM
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16. Because it's not about life
It is about POWER, PROPAGANDA, and "Playing to the Base".

It about keeping Kinder and Gentler Nazis feeling oppressed and helpless, not by their Bushevik Masters who are oppressing them and defrauding they and their children of their futures, but by the Jews...I mean Liberals (it's so hard to keep up with Bushlerian code words I sometimes find myself mistakenly reverting to the Original Text)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:35 PM
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17. Because it's obviously all about politics.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 04:47 PM
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19. It's about fundraising and shoring up their base, the extreme
fundie types. This is all designed to appeal to the base that Delay was losing over his ethics problems because of the illegal junkets. NPR was saying the other day that most americans don't care about the other ethical issues because they really don't understand them the way they do junkets.

Mainstream Christians that i know wouldn't want an extended life, even in a better debilitated condition. They'd rather die and go to a better life.

Why does Congress want to keep TS in limbo and out of heaven?
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 11:09 PM
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20. kick n/t
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