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OTownGuy Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:43 PM
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Will the Reps IMPLODE themselves??
I KNOW its just wishful thinking, and it IS a 2nd term, but w/ Schaivo, SS, and to SOME extent Iraq, could the GOP unwittignly bring itself down? I have witnessed this to SOME extent, as the only time ive seen power gained, abused, gone over the top, then crash and burned was Micheal Eisner. There is even a blog i saw on CONNECTED that has EVANGELICALS think Bush has gone too far. Maybe................
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:48 PM
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1. Call me an optimist, but this is the first chink in the Teflon...
I've seen in a while.

Exploiting a family tragedy as shamelessly as this was just a little too obvious.

OK, it was WAY too obvious.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:49 PM
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2. Nixon, not Eisner. . .
is the closer implosion parallel for B*. . .oh boy! do i wish!
:nuke:
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:50 PM
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3. The Dems started to IMPLODE in 2000.
The Reps could start to implode in 2006 or 2008.
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Godai Kyoko Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:51 PM
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4. When your enemy is making a mistake, help him
Too often people think Bush will self destruct. So far it has been wishful thinking.

But when things do go over the edge for him, be ready to cheer, and maybe help push things along a little.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:54 PM
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5. Welcome Godai Kyoko!!
Ready to cheer here!
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 05:59 PM
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6. I am an optimist - my wife is the eternal pessimist
Her thought is that he really has to do something that (1) so clearly pisses off the Evangelicals and (2) that is so clearly contrary to the economic interest of Middle America (as characterized in "What's the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America" by Thomas Frank) - and (3) that requires no great sophistication - and no reading of Paul Krugman or Bob Herbert or E.J. Dionne or Molly Ivins, and no listening to AAR to easily and obviously "connect the dots."

She thinks it is inevitable - but that Terri Schiavo wasn't it, that SS wasn't it, and that the Bankruptcy Act wasn't it. But she has faith that the Bush-Cheney-Rove,DeLay-Frist hubris will prevail and the GOP will over reach to a "Bridge Too Far" and piss off the "Middle America" - "Evangelical" base.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:02 PM
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7. If the Oil President don't get the price of gas lower, look for mass
treason among the GOP rank and file!
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:04 PM
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8. No, we still have not taken the most critical component
The media. Since Nixon the right has been bent on gaining control of the flow of dialog in this nation. They have control of the media if not by ownership then by manipulation. Thus any mistakes or missteps can quickly be compensated for by some media manipulation.

I suspect that at this stage George could eat a baby live on camera and damage control would still be able to sweep it under the rug. Currently they are just looking to see what extremes they can push. When they get a negative reaction they implement damage control and redirect.

We have done nothing to reclaim the media. Till we do they control the message.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:09 PM
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9. Baby Sacrifice to God
would be in big letters behind Bush and the lighting would make it look like there was a halo around Bush's head
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 06:27 PM
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10. Oh, I think so! The Social Security thing, NOBODY is
buying the private accounts yet they keep trying to ram it down people's throats, Iraq is still a disaster in spite of the hopeful signs, economy sucks, gas is too expensive - can't IMAGINE people really are happy about Alaska AT ALL - in spite of the Peak Oil thing; yet I don't hear any Republicans talking about alternatives -

And this latest thing is too much. I can't imagine having Congress and President Bush up in my private affairs like that. Whoa.

Now, if we could only get some decent voting machines:)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:32 PM
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11. Their followers may: That is what happens when fundies try and
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 08:33 PM by applegrove
live in a modern world (the real nutty fundies). And of course the closest followers of Bush will always be the most tribal..because they are made to be that way (it benefits Bush & their leaders)...they are easier to control and be gotten to vote against their own best interests.

Here is what some really smart guy said about tribalism and fundies trying to live in a modern world as it plays out in the Middle East:

"The indivisibility of any aspect of life from any other in Islam is a source of strength, but also of fragility. When all conduct, all custom, has a religious sanction and justification, any changes is a threat to the whole system of belief. Certainty that their way of life is the right one thus coexists with fear that the whole edifice - intellectual and political - will come tumbling down if it is tampered with in any way.... And the problem is that so many Muslims want both stagnation and power; they want to return to the perfection of the 7th century and to dominate the 21st, as they believe is the birthright of their doctrine".

"If they were content to exist in a 7th-century backwater, secure in a quietest philosophy, there would be no problem for them or for us. Their problem, and ours, is that they want the power that free inquiry confers without either the free inquiry or the philosophy and institutions that guarantee free inquiry... he tension between their desire for power and success in the modern world on the one hand, and the desire not to abandon their religion on the other on the other, is resolvable for some only by exploding themselves as bombs."


Theodore Dalrymple, The Times, April 15, 2004

I got this quote out of Gwynne Dyer's FUTURE TENSE: The coming world order. I think it is as true of people who want America to return to 1950 (if the religion is Patriotism) or the year 5 BC (if they are being forced into Christian Fundamentalism).
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-21-05 08:39 PM
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12. it does feel like a slow moving landslide downhill, one can only hope!!!
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 12:43 AM
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13. Yes they will; not wishful thinking
Edited on Tue Mar-22-05 12:43 AM by mainz_68
It's not wishful thinking at all, just a matter social dynamics. There has been worse, even in the past 50 years. And they're all dead. Pol Pot is dead.

People like that always end up eating their young. They can't help it. It's an inherent part of their thinking. Trouble this time is, they might take a couple of hundred million of the rest of us with them.

But after that, someone who's sweeping up the mess will think 'That didn't work very well" and "Let's not do that again". Then things will be better for a few years.

See, I'm an optimist.

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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-22-05 12:50 AM
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14. They'll have to do it themselves, because TeeVee won't cover
it with all the important issues out there, like Jackson, Peterson, Stuart, Shiavo, Jackson, Blake, Hilton, Jackson...
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