Church cuts ties to food pantry because of Catholics

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Church cuts ties to food pantry because of Catholics


Mar 19, 2005 : 8:38 am ET

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A church has withdrawn its support for a food pantry serving the needy because the pantry works with Roman Catholics. Central Church of God explained its decision in a letter March 1 from minister of evangelism Shannon Burton to Loaves & Fishes in Charlotte.

"As a Christian church, we feel it is our responsibility to follow closely the (principles) and commands of Scripture," the letter said.
"To do this best, we feel we should abstain from any ministry that partners with or promotes Catholicism, or for that matter, any other denomination promoting a works-based salvation."

Loaves & Fishes isn't the only ministry with which the large church has cut ties, and Catholics have not been the only reason they've given. The Rev. Tony Marciano, executive director of Charlotte Rescue Mission, said Burton told him the church could no longer support the agency after it allowed three Muslim students from UNC Charlotte to help serve a meal.

Doug Hartjes, director of development for Crisis Assistance Ministry in Charlotte, said Central Church of God told them it will not provide financial support this year. Crisis Assistance provides emergency financial aid and other help to people.

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The church also ended funding for Love Inc., which provides services for the poor, elderly and disabled in Mecklenburg County.

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http://www.heraldsun.com/state/6-588371.html

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bloody murder and tom delay would be demanding bush sign a special bill just for this church. hmmm, wait, maybe their views are still....evolving.

Msongs
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...to make those mean ol' Catholics cough up the money!

understand it at all. Discriminating against Catholics? By not partnering with the Catholics in donating to the same charity, they are not harming the Catholics at all.

Now, their position IS nonsensical, I agree. I don't recall that Christ said anything about helping the poor, EXCEPT when they were also getting help from those you disgreed with.

their position that they do not cooperate with Catholics has nothing to do with "creationism".
It's possible the two organizations agree on that point; it's irrrelevant to the issue.

Who cares if people starve? We just can't associate with Catholics. Or gay people. And so on, and so on, and so on. Where does it fucking end?

the mistake they're making is thinking they're "saved"

should be allowed to receive taxpayers' money? Why isn't it a subversion of equal protections and church-state separation under US laws?

what Jesus would have done. </sarcasm>

feeding the crowd with loaves and fishes?

They aren't asking about the beliefs of the poor people. They want to make sure the poor are not also getting aid from people they disagree with.
I'm not really certain what on the heck they are thinking. I suspect the correct parsing of the question is not
"What were you THINKING!?!"
but
"What!?! Were you THINKING!?"

Evr'ybody sing!

All You Need Is Love, Love

Love Is All You Need

Bloody Catholics, filling the bloody world up with bloody people they can't afford to bloody feed....

and one of my mag card ID's has a Red Crescent and a Red Cross on it - but no Red Star of David -- should I sue? Or just quit volunteering?

Or just be a good Faith Based, Humanitarian Progressive and keep serving.

My faith is a "... denomination promoting a works-based salvation."

Shammai Yisrael Adonai Elohanu - Adonai Echod

to get to heaven.

Hmm, why would people not want to believe in that...

and who will not, based on his own "qualifications" and they don't claim to be qualified to do that.

Also, if doing good deeds were the way to get into heaven, they might actually have to do good deeds! This way they can still be assholes and spout about how they're "saved."

In other words, "I'M SAVED BECAUSE I SAID I'M SAVED."

Can you see now why slithering little snakes like DeLay and boooosh and Thurmond and Frist and that other booooosh and Hastert and all the rest are so happy to embrace a religion that tells them exactly what they tell it to tell them?


Tansy Gold, feeling dizzy and sick from all the tautology

believe that you can be the crappiest person on earth (a la Hitler) but as long as you ask Jesus to come into your heart AND IT IS SINCERE, then they believe you are guaranteed a place in heaven. I know this because I have asked several fundies about this. A hard core fundie will say that if Hitler asked Jesus for forgiveness and for him to come into his heart, he would be saved and thus go to heaven.

If Jesus really entered your heart and if you really accepted Him as your savior, then you just simply wouldn't be the crappiest person on earth - the two are not harmonious and not likely to happen.

He was Catholic!

I'm sure God must be looking down and wondering if it's about time to revoke the liscense...

Funny response, my friend. :)

They will start blasting each other to bits, sect upon sect. Which is why Thomas Jefferson was a fucking genius and the majority of people in this country just don't get it.

Sick bastards.

"As a Christian church,... we feel we should abstain from any ministry that partners with or promotes Catholicism...

:wtf:

The Catholic Church IS A Christian church, numbnuts! It was the ORIGINAL (organized) Christian chuch, fer cryin' out loud!

What a moran!

Mom says she once heard Marion "Pat" Robertson say, on national TV, "We all have the right to worship in this country: Christians, Catholics, and Jews." So only people who drink the fundie Kool-Aid qualify as "Christians", I guess: no sacramental wine need apply. :evilgrin:

That is the Number One question asked by a lot of Protestants. I don't get it, either.

Jack's nuttier than squirrel turds, but we'll use his teachings on the Catholic Church here because a lot of evangelicals believe the same things.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

They also say that the Catholic Church is evil because:

* While Protestant churches believe in one god, Jesus, the Catholics end their prayers with "in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, amen." The Protestants say this means the Catholics worship three gods in violation of the First Commandment.

* Catholics also worship Mary, the Blessed Virgin. They build shrines to her and pray to them. This is a violation of both the First Commandment and the Second Commandment.

I was born in the South and raised in the South and was raised by a Catholic mom (she even went to parochial school - in the South!) and a Southern Baptist father. I went to both churches and choose to be Catholic when I was a teenager.
We HAVE Catholic churches here - not on every corner - but they're here and, yet, some numbnut, at least once or twice a year, comes up to me and asks me if I'm Christian.
:eyes:
Where in the hell do these people learn their history? In a black hole (forget the vacuum - that's not deep enough for them)?

oh devout Protestants (are Evangelicals actually Protestants?) the New Testament and all those quotations you love to ...hmmm...quote.

These NUTS are against "works based faiths"?
So, why are they involved in good works, i.e., community service, at all then? Seems at odds with their beliefs?

I have heard "Catholics are not Christians" so many times.
I want to drag some of these nutcases into a Catholic church, right up the main aisle, to the Christ hanging over the altar. Do you think they would GET IT then?

Nah...they'd say Catholics worship statutes.

UGH!!!!

And I'm a collapsed Catholic -- that's beyond lapsed.

If you are not "Born Again", and accepts Jesus as your Saviour, you are going to Hell.

It's that simple for them.

On a personal level they will deal with you until they realize conversion is not going to work on you.

Expect to see more of this type of thing as the more rabid of the belief start to draw more lines.

are pure Satan spawn.
:evilgrin: O8) :evilfrown: O8) :evilgrin:
:crazy:

If memory serves me, the chimperor is a Methodist. How funny that the taliborn-agains ignore that fact.

---

"Prosperity is just around the corner." -- Herbert Hoover
"The economy has turned a corner." -- GW Bush

Herbert Hoover = GW Bush

Neither man cared about the Depression their economic policies created.

*sigh* This country just gets more and more strange with each passing day.

Do you get it yet? There is no end to who they hate. Catholics thought they could stop being persecuted by cozying up with these right wingers. I knew it wouldn't last.

The problem is that people seem to think that most of us did.

*sigh*

Catholics refusing to bury a gay man in it's "sacred ground" because he ran a couple of gay bars, or when I see Catholics calling themself "pro-life" in complete support of people like Randall Terry,

It does give me pause to think about the rhetoric the church has adopted that is fully in sinc with the fascist wing nuts.

They refused his family the use of a church, period; it wasn't because he was gay, either--- it was bceause he ran adult entertainment in his clubs.

If people are going to bash the Church, I wish they'd at least get ther facts straight...

:eyes:

to support anyone who has been baptized and if their life has been one of some perceived sin, that there is the chance in the end, the person relents and confesses , even if in total silence, on the deathbed.

Is that right? and if it is right, then how does it occur that this particular person is not granted that? Who makes that judgement if not the merciful god? The Bishop?
Was he there? Did he read the mind of this person?

I was merely explaining the facts of the situation. The bishop of a diocese is the legal custodian of all Church property, and his decision is final regarding the use of any Church property. That said, I think the bishop made a VERY poor decision, and I can fairly well guarantee that his is a minority viewpoint among American bishops; in my diocese, the man would've been allowed to have a funeral Mass, I'm virtually certain.

Peace.

"shop around" if they desired he be buried in sanctified ground.

:shrug:

can get a chuch funeral, then an "adult bar owner" should get one as well.

It was about being gay, despite Brom's claims otherwise.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

:shrug:

Friday, August 29, 2003
Defrocked priest buried in Brookline
BOSTON (MA)
Boston Herald

by Eric Convey
Friday, August 29, 2003

John J. Geoghan was laid to rest yesterday in a traditional Roman Catholic funeral rite.

Priests and nuns were heavily represented among the two dozen or so mourners who attended the Mass at Holy Name parish in West Roxbury, the Geoghan family church. Geoghan's sister, Catherine, was also there.

An unidentified representative of Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley attended, said the Rev. Christopher Coyne, a spokesman for the archdiocese.

``People from within the Catholic community are reaching out to Cathy,'' Coyne said ``The most important thing when a Christian dies is that the community prays that he or she is sped to heaven.''

Monsignor George F. Carlson, pastor of Holy Name, celebrated the funeral Mass.

???

When we live in a blue state we vote with the majority and when we live in a red state we vote with the majority.

Most Catholics in my parish vote Democratic.

Catholics believe it is deeds, not belief in God alone that provides for salvation. Many Christians claim that it is faith alone.

We believe that it is BOTH faith and works that lead to salvation. Not one over the other. The two are like peanut butter and jelly. Without the other one, you just have a lot of crappy gloop. But together... it works!

That it's deeds and not faith alone. Both together.

existance of god, but if you live a righteous life and do good works your name will be written in the book of life,

whether you like it or not.

It can be frustrating, being a Jewish atheist.

Shalom.

because Easley's a Catholic.

"We're Christian; all we need is faith and Jesus; this makes us better than those who need additives (deeds)."

Disclaimer: I'm a collapsed Catholic, devout atheist, sometime agnostic and who-knows-what next week. I ain't 'holier' than anybody, but at least my head's on straight!

Which means, in my book (like it matters. LOL), you're a step above the norm.
Wes Clark is a good man - period. I am not God, but I'm willing to bet that Clark's been on St. Peter's "good list" for some time. ;)

What a Surprise. :)

I've been impressed by his goodness since I read "The Most Dangerous
Road in Europe" (August 15-21, 1995) from the book, "To End a War", by Richard Holbrooke. You probably know the incident in question.

I've read a LOT of Catholic texts (Augustine, and the like), and whenever the problem of works relating to salvation is discussed, all of them say to DO good works but it will not be your salvation; it's simply following the ways ofChrist.
So I'm pretty confused reading this. How come one Christian church is actually condemning the Catholic church of doing good deeds for their fellow human beings? I don't get it. :shrug:

Only they are saved. All others are tolerated until absolutely necessary; which in this case the breaking point was reached.

Deeds have nothing to do with the Born Again experience.

Jimmy Swaggert...multiple saves. It's OK with them. Somewhere in the Bible though is a verse on this, and Jesus thought it was not OK.

They forget that.

...either. Catholism, and how I was raised in my Catholic family, was that you must do good deeds out of the kindness of your heart to best follow Jesus' example.
Are the born-again Christians really saying they would rather have more people starve than to work with Catholics? Am I reading this?

This particular sicko Fundamentalist church is basically calling out the Catholics. They are drawing that line.

This will become more common, as the Fundamentalist churches that use the "Born Again/Jesus micromanages your life" as the litmus test of all others.

What do you think they talk about when deep in a Born Again frenzy? Hell bound are all Protestants, Catholics, name your group.

Oh...and Episcopalians. You are right, my Ex-friend, Fundy/nutcase/ mega church preacher says that they are especially odious. Beats me why, they were trying to De-Methodist me at the time.

I'm still working on understanding that most basic of all Christian conundrums....

If Jesus Christ was born a Jew, lived his life as a Jew, sincerely considered himself a Jew, and died a Jew, how can anyone who claims to be a Christian be anti-Semitic? Would they not then be Anti-Christ?

Do they feel that they have moved beyond Jesus Christ and become superior to him? After all, he was merely a Jew and per fundie doctrine Jews shall not be granted salvation.

Why don't fundie theologians ever begin a vociferous public debate on this issue?

Personally, being Catholic, I'd rather be grouped with the Jews when the proverbial Judgement Day comes than with those who believe they are superior to their own God.

Perhaps these individuals should also have pointed out to them that science and evolutionism can give them a much better guestimate as to when the world will cease to exist than the 'Chicken Little' philosophy they have pursued to date.

I can tell them right now when the Earth as they know it shall cease to exist....

!!WHEN THE SUN GOES NOVA!!

....Jesus' death and resurrection was the New Covenant, where Jews still follow the covenant of Moses (Old Covenant).
Jews believe that Jesus is not the Messiah, the new Moses or whatnot.
Personally, I don't understand how Christians can hate Jews- and I won't get into the idiotic "Jews killed God" crap.
Essentially, the New Testament is the script of Christians, the Old Testament is the script of Jews. So it makes no goddamn sense for Christians to cherry pick shit from Leviticus , which is from the OLD TESTAMENT :grr:
I don't claim to be a theologian, but I follow this stuff so I can kick fundie ass.

He was saying it for Catholics who might try to argue the point. The fundies are still upset over it.

My understanding is, that if you are to believe in Christian theology as outlined in the NT, Christ died for al humanity with no exclusions.
But maybe that's just my liberal pinko commie brain not reading the part where God hates (insert group here) :silly:

And I have to confess, I didn't get much from Augustine (although there's a great little bit where he talks about farting in Civitate Dei - no kidding!), but I was raised Catholic too, and I always thought it was better to give up a little spiritual perfection yourself and try to help other people than to march along on your own holy way. "Stooping to help pick up the fallen" was what I was taught at my church, and it always seemed more like a Christian virtue to me anyway. But I'm just a liberal, what do I know. :crazy:

I see you have a BC emblem on your avatar. I graduated from BC 12 years ago. :) Good school!

True Christians shouldn't hate the Jews... or ANYONE else, either. Hatred is not Christ-like, and that's an important thing to remember. Anybody who says that they are Christian, yet spouts out hate filled rhetoric, is most likely lying to themselves about their salvation.

the fundies will swallow themselves, immolated in unsustainable hatred...

But at what cost to the rest of us?

And somehow, as a Catholic, I don't feel particularly bad for those of my brethren who were duped into thinking they had an alliance with the Religious Right during the election. These people are not our "friends." Never have been, never will be. If people had been paying attention, they would have realized that. But that's what happens when you get blinded by an agenda (gay marriage and abortion): You make an alliance to fight an enemy, and before you know it, that enemy, in the eyes of your "ally," is you.

I've been saying it for years, too, AOD! Maybe--- just maybe--- they'll start listening to the voices of reason within the Chucrh. If this doesn't show them the ugly truth about their 'friends', nothing will, and we're headed for a schism.

during the election season to pick up my archdiocesan newspaper and read letters from Catholics extolling the virtues of people like Pat Robertson and other fundamental Protestants because of their stands on TWO issues. This would happen just about weekly. Talk about "wolves in sheep's clothing."

I hate to see this food pantry thing happen, but it is only going to get worse.

Religious altrusism is NOT. It's about recruitment to the Christian Army..

"Say the words, sing the song, bow your head, bend your knee"..and THEN we'll feed you"..:puke:

""the church could no longer support the agency after it allowed three Muslim students from UNC Charlotte to help serve a meal.""

damn this makes me crazy mad.

Lightening bolts, paging Lightening bolts, for these fucking idiots.

That's craaazy talk! New Testament? Love? We don't want none of that!:silly:

:thumbsup:

Sound to me like the people at that Church of God are definite goats.

Here's another good one. Reminds me a lot of Bush and Falwell and the rest of them:

“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matt 7:15-23)

It was odd to see you post the admonition from Matthew, because I had just posted the same text in our Catholic and Orthodox Christian group right before I came back to GD and read your post.

:hi:

;)

will go?

" we feel it is our responsibility to follow closely the (principles) and commands of Scripture "

Now I haven't picked up a bible in quite a few years, but my methodist upbringing beat the basics into me pretty thoroughly. I can't seem to remember any litmus tests on who to love and help. Crazies like this are a fair part of what turned me off to christianity. :(

the moment.

This article by the Rev. Ian Paisley has plenty of Scriptural references to support his thesis: "The Pope is the Antichrist".

www.ianpaisley.org/antichrist.asp

Rev. Paisley is a Great Religious Thinker--as well as a Great Political Thinker. And he's close to the Bob Jones University crowd.

That's all.

Just "Jesus wept."

what, with the Church preparing to officially come out against the death penalty.

The division and the decline continue......

Catholics, is where in the Bible does it say this? I grew up with so much of this hatred being the only Catholic at one time in the neighborhood and having the neighborhood kids tell me regularly that I was okay even if I was a Catholic. Considering Catholics predate the Protestant Reformation and it's pretty much the same Bible we are all referring to, it just isn't in Scriptures. I can understand how hatred of the Vatican and the Pope from the Middle Ages could have caused Protestants to pass that hatred down, but it isn't in the Bible, anywhere, unless they committed a forgery and inserted it themselves.

And they don't. She laughs when she says it, but her theory is that we've got the big kahuna and deep inside everyone is afraid of him because they aren't quite certain what "powers" he has. That's why all the politicians go to grovel at his feet.

during the time of martin luther, the reformers believed everyone had a straight shot to god/jesus, and that catholics had set up the pope as sort of a junior god...where one could not go to heaven unless the pope (ie catholics only went to heaven) authorized it. thus was excommunication used as a tool to deny heretics access to heaven. if the pope said no, you could not go.

at least that is my understanding of the matter.

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If they cite as their authority what you said and what Martin Luther said that's one thing, but they are saying it's in Scriptures. There is nothing in Scripture that says God hates Catholics and therefore other Christians shouldn't mingle with them even for good cause.

Which is ironic, since fundies are now worshipping the bible.

Now I have my own beliefs in spiritual non-organic beings but I don't have anthromorphic representations of them, yet. Also, there was an ad for their hymns with a dove on it, another symbol that could be called an idol?

Although I have known some fundies that did not like the angel fad.

except the ones they don't like, of course.


Like this bit, for instance...James, chapter 2, verses 14-26:

What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?

And if a brother or sister be naked and want daily food:

And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit?

So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.

But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works. Shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.

Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.

But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?

Seest thou that faith did cooperate with his works and by works faith was made perfect?

And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.

Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?

And in like manner also Rahab the harlot, was not she justified by works, receiving the messengers and sending them out another way?

For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without works is dead.

It appears the more times you say Jesus, the more you don't have to listen to what he said. So many Protestant churches are nothing more community centers. Everyone feels good because they talk about how they have 'Jesus', but then they don't live their live like Jesus. Some have good intentions, but if you look at the fact that Protestants voted for Bush 2-1, you see the real face of most Protestants.

Thank God I'm Catholic.

Methodist and gay? Houston we have a problem. That's my gig.

Protestants of the rich republican kind are sickening.

of the Reformation, ie, the Anglicans, the Lutherans!

Who on earth are THESE people (the Burtons?)

1500 years of history together, including great saints like St. Francis and Theresa of Avila, forgotten.

Americans don't know American history, let alone church history.


BTW--is this the same Church of God (splinter group from Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God) where the shooting in Wisconsin was last week?

Although some statments have been made jointly, usually they are still more or less divided on the issue. Statements that have been issued tend to be interpreted differently by each side, and the text often reflects differences as well as similarities.

Here is an example:
"

19. We confess together that all persons depend completely on the saving grace of God for their salvation. The freedom they possess in relation to persons and the things of this world is no freedom in relation to salvation, for as sinners they stand under God's judgment and are incapable of turning by themselves to God to seek deliverance, of meriting their justification before God, or of attaining salvation by their own abilities. Justification takes place solely by God's grace. Because Catholics and Lutherans confess this together, it is true to say:

20. When Catholics say that persons "cooperate" in preparing for and accepting justification by consenting to God's justifying action, they see such personal consent as itself an effect of grace, not as an action arising from innate human abilities.

21. According to Lutheran teaching, human beings are incapable of cooperating in their salvation, because as sinners they actively oppose God and his saving action. Lutherans do not deny that a person can reject the working of grace. When they emphasize that a person can only receive (mere passive) justification, they mean thereby to exclude any possibility of contributing to one's own justification, but do not deny that believers are fully involved personally in their faith, which is effected by God's Word. ."

http://www.elca.org/ecumenical/ecumenicaldialogue/romancatholic/jddj/declaration.html

Basically my reading on the text is that both churches reject Pelagianism (being good is sufficient), Arminianism (you can decide to believe in Christ and be saved) and "Strong (aka Double) Predestination"(if God has selected you there is no way to reject Salvation, and God doesn't want everyone to be saved just some).

Anglicans lack the doctrinal cohesion to form meaningful agreements with the Vatican (or really anyone for that matter) because the only doctrine that seems to be adhered to among all Anglicans is Apostolic succession. Even the old 39 Ariticles are no longer considered valid. Thus while some Anglican churches are run as Cathocism minus the Pope, there are others presided over Bishops like Spong who are removed enough from orthodoxy as to not consider the Virgin Birth, the ressurection, and original sin a requirement of the faith.

Lutherans on the other hand, tend to cling to varying degrees to the Augsburg Confession and other confessional documents. This gives a certain uniformity of theological thought and most differences between Lutheran factions tend to issues of practice (female clergy, different standards of biblical literalism) since the Lutherans created no system of doctrinal authority, nobody has the right to issue any statements on the behalf of Lutherans, but only on behalf of those Lutherans who wish to be spoken for.

Taken to it's logical end there is no requirement that people act in any moral way here and now, for all is forgiven by faith alone.

So while they are fascinated by moral codes of conduct, they provide no reason to obey them. Acting morally now gets you nothing. All you have to do is confess your sins at some point and reaffirm your faith, then you are good to go.

It does explain a few things, like their support of war.

"Scripture alone!" "Faith alone!" "Christ alone!"

All together, how could one, attached to that Vine, fall again into sin?

Who or What is George Bush attached to?

At least Catholics believe they have the Sacrament of Penance. Trust me though, it's only fools gold. If you really feel guilty about some wrong you may have committed, no priest's absolution or penance will make you feel better until you, yourself attempt to make amends to the extent that you are able to. Mostly admitting you were wrong to the party you offended is what works best.

just a wee bit full of themselves aren't they? puffed up on self-importance ...delusions of grandeur, I believe is the phrase...

The Catholics need to realize that these people do not consider them to be Christian. Catholics would be offed as fast as a heathen like myself if the fundies had their way. Yet so many of the Catholics bellied up to the voting booth and voted Bush, the fundies' king.

Julie

The church also ended funding for Love Inc., which provides services for the poor, elderly and disabled in Mecklenburg County.

they changed their minds and will support the charities except the one that allowed the muslim students to help out (got to keep the hate rolling somehow).

?

There was this dumb twat my father talked with in Texas who said, "You're a nice man Joe and you're a Catholic, but why aren't you a Christian?" and my father responded, "Well, we like to look at ourselves as the originals.".

;)

Oh, right, I forgot: we already own all the banks and the media, so I guess there's nothing to worry about...

Christians hatred of Catholics until I started surfing the net (or nets).
I have,in the past had several heated discussions about this Catholics aren't Christians stuff. Some of them seem to think that we pray to statues, ignore the commandments, and have no idea what the Bible is all about. Nothing I ever said could convince otherwise. :eyes: The others couldn't give a reason why they hate Catholics.

I still remember those two sentences being jammed into my head as a child.

I remember during the campaign when Kerry started discussing 'faith without works.' I knew it would not make a dent... fundamentalists do not believe in 'works,' they only believe in 'faith.' They have received a gift that they could never earn (so why try?) and they don't deserve (because they are sinners).

No matter what they do -- or have done in the past -- they need only to repent and turn their eyes to Jesus. All is forgiven by the grace of God. The gift of Salvation needs only to be accepted.

And... when you consider this believe in that context, it is much more easy to understand how it melds so well with the GOP belief system. Those who suffer, those who are poor, those who do not have food to eat, are on the "outs" with God. Far be it for a fundamentalist to question the wisdom of God in such matters.

I think that's who Kerry was going after. He lost them 51-49.