Bush* Kicked our asses again. Are You Pissed Yet?

- That's right...the good guys don't always win. The truth of the matter is that they seldom win...and that's what makes the struggle so difficult. But win we must...for the very soul of Democracy and the Democratic party.

- But first we must...every one of us...agree to join battle and speak truth to power. No more bipartisan 'date rape', compromise or concessions with an administration committing criminal and unethical acts against the people, nation and world.

- Secrets.

Lies.

Deceit.

Cronyism.

Quid Pro Quo.

Collusion.

Nepotism.

War Profiteering.

Malfeasance.

Mismanagement.

Negligence.

Conspiracies.

Coverups.

Propaganda.

Disinformation.

Misinformation.

Scare tactics.

Intimidation.

Threats.

Thuggery.

Incompetence.

Character Assassination.

Politics of Personal Destruction.

- Bush* will not 'implode' or trip up and neither the GOP or the Media will turn on him. The current scandal will not hurt his chances in 2004 and his 'ratings' will mysteriously surge upwards during the heat of the campaign season. And there's a very good chance that the 2004 elections will be a repeat of 2000.

- It's up to us...the 'left' in general and the Democratic party specifically...to expose and then prosecute the crimes and misdeeds of this most corrupt administration. We can't depend on anyone or anything else to do it for us. Not the Greens or the media or rogue Republicans.

- We must not leave to chance that Bush* MAY be voted out in 2004. We need to prepare a legal and political case against the Bushies and then seek redress in the form of the rule of law, prosecution and possible impeachment.

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CNN Headline: Bush stands by CIA after Iraq mistake

Tenet admits error in agency's approval of president's speech

Saturday, July 12, 2003 Posted: 1:03 PM EDT (1703 GMT)


ABUJA, Nigeria (CNN) -- President Bush said Saturday that he remained confident in George Tenet after the CIA director took responsibility for the now-discredited line in the State of the Union address alleging that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa.

The White House now says the allegations were unsubstantiated.

"I've got confidence in George Tenet, I've got confidence in the men and women who work at the CIA," Bush told reporters Saturday during an appearance with Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo.

In a statement released Friday evening, Tenet said that the CIA had seen and approved the speech before it was delivered, and he took responsibility for the mistake.

"The president had every reason to believe that the text presented to him was sound," the Tenet statement said. "These 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the president."

The CIA director also said, "I am responsible for the approval process in my agency."

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Saturday that Bush is pleased that Tenet "acknowledged what needed to be acknowledged." Bush considers this issue "closed" and has "moved on," Fleischer said. --- http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/12/sprj.irq.wmdspeech/index.html

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NYT's Headline: President Asserts He Still Has Faith in Tenet and C.I.A.
By RICHARD W. STEVENSON   7:32 PM ET
After the C.I.A. director took the blame for approving unsubstantiated information about Iraq's nuclear program, President Bush said he considered the matter closed. - http://nytimes.com/

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LATimes Headline: CIA Admits It Allowed Error in Bush Speech
By Greg Miller
Comments about Iraq seeking uranium "should never have been included," Tenet says. - http://www.latimes.com/

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CBS News Headline: Bush Stands By Tenet

The president says he "absolutely" has confidence in the CIA head, even though Tenet blamed himself for the State of the Union address goof over Iraq's WMD. But some in Congress are already calling for Tenet's head, in comments to CBS News .  - http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

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ABC News Headline: Bush Expresses Faith in CIA Director
Bush Expresses Faith in CIA Chief After Tenet Takes Blame for False Claim on Iraq Weapons

The Associated Press

ABUJA, Nigeria July 12 —

President Bush said Saturday he still has faith in his intelligence chief after CIA Director George Tenet accepted blame for Bush's erroneous claim about Iraqi weapons. - http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20030712_1038.html

Things are starting to come around. The media is still so lazy it may take a while, but I think we are over the hump--we'll see for sure on Sunday.

- Americans. Fathers. Mothers. Sisters. Brothers. They're needlessly dying in Iraq for a damn lie and to make the Boy King look like a leader.

- How many more human beings are you willing to sacrifice while we 'sort things out'? Ten? A Hundred? Thousand?

- There was no good reason to invade Iraq. This means Bush* put Americans and Iraqis NEEDLESSLY in harm's way. This Monster knew his Shock and Awe would kill thousands of civilians...yet he went ahead with it knowing Iraq posed no kind of threat to the United States.

- This war...like most of the acts of the Bushies...is illegal and immoral. I can't and won't take your advice to 'wait'.

- Tell them you want this administration to be held accountable....and to restore the checks and balances of the legislative branch.

- Tell your representatives that you expect them to act like a PUBLIC SERVANT instead of a lapdog for the Bush* government. Tell them to honor their oath of office and they insist that Bush* does the same.

editor and had many published. On a couple of occasions, three different letters in three different papers on the same day.

It takes time and patience.

I hope it won't take that many this time.

Chimp has a problem with this one....this one is hurting him...this one is not going away so easily.

I know people who love him and have made excuses for every idiotic thing he has done....they are not doing that now...they aren't

Let's try not to be too pessimistic until we see how this thing plays out......you could be right....but i think this one is different.

We need to charge while the iron is hot, to mix a metaphor.

You can't. You can't do it without the media, and you can't do it without the Democratic party. It takes time for these things to happen. Just yelling alot and casting about with toothless and hopelessly general accusations in a small online community never solved anything. Until you do more than that, I say you are wasting everyone's time.

He should Resign if he knows what is good for him.

Yes it is gonna be real ugly!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=33203&mesg_id=33203&page=

These bastards are NOT going to get away with this.

let's just work our asses off to make sure Dubya only has one term in office. I'm not here to advocate for Dean, but his grassroots campaign should be our role model for how to get rid of the Shrub. All of us pissed off people need to hit the streets with our printed material and inform the folks of the Bush lies, we need to sign people up to vote, go down to your local senior center, and talk to the folks, trust me old folks pay attention, and they vote, tailor your message to the group you are appealing to.

This is a war we can win if we hit the streets, there is plenty wrong with a lot of Bush's policies, and we need to make sure people know this. I've already hit the local urban grocery stores with my fliers, and I've gotten a good response, get out there, and get working. The Dean website is a good place to start, if you don't like Dean encourage your candidate of choice to do what Dean is doing, there is also Democrats.org, they are doing some grassroots organizing.

It's the people vs the moneyed interests in the 2004 elections, I say we can win if we fight, so go fight. Whining about the details of a scandal only make you a whiner, remember how annoying the right wing was when griping about Clinton? Let's just stick to what wins, pointing out that balancing the budget will help our economy, and pointing out that Dean has balanced the Vermont budget so well, that this year they have a surplus. Let's stick to another positive point, that the Democrats will be able to bring some troops home because they will be able to fix relations with the countries Bush pissed off, and get them to commit peacekeeping troops, and the Democrat might be able to get some countries to help with the costs of the war. You need a positive to go along with your negative.

We need to be problem solvers, not whiners.

...the Neocons won't lie, cheat and steal again in 2004? Who or what will stop them if they do?

- We simply can't depend on the (corrupted) election system to get rid of Bush*. Is our memory so short that we can't remember what they did to us and the nation in 2000? The Neocons actually HIRED a group of thugs to 'shut down' the recount by storming buildings, pounding on doors and roughing up poll workers. You're not outraged by this?

- You're playing on their field and by their rules if you leave it up to an election process they can manipulate and control.

Dean has been all over CNN, he was on Good morning America, and MSNBC is in love with him all of a sudden. Dean's grassroots campaign would bury the paid right wing thugs where they stood just from the number of people who'd show up to fight for a proper recount. The unions have been organizing hard core efforts on the grassroots level to counter the right wing machine. Me, I'm a 6'4 230lb former linebacker from Syracuse university, and I'm part of the Dean machine, and ain't nobody in a brooks brothers suit going to intimidate me. Gore failed to inspire his supporters last time, the Dems, and especially Dean won't make the same mistake. Your whining isn't solving any of the problems, and if you are naive enough to believe that if people would just open their eyes they'd know Bush is bad, and demand his impeachment, then you don't know how this country works. All the money, and dirty tricks in the world won't stop the Dean machine, get on board, you'll feel better.

No one has easy answers to any of the top problems we face today. Senators and Congresspersons hear testimony from both sides of an issue and most of it is lobbyist BS. We've wasted billions of dollars on education programs that have probably made things worse. Health care is a nightmare and the recommendations for reducing crime are ludicrous.

We need a military but just what mix of forces is unknown. Each service believes it should get most of the DoD budget for new weapons and Congress ignores the poor soldier.

It's easy to see that things are all mucked up, but no one knows how to solve it. We've learned that 100% socialism won't solve our problems and we're learning that 100% capitalism won't solve them either.

As that wise philosopher from my old stomping grounds said "YEP, SON, WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US." Even God realized that because the Bible says, "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (Genesis 6:6)

...and I don't see that he has won.

The toothless Democratic Party is. The Republicans could run Gary Bauer and still win.

Dems have been there to criticize Bush on even the most controversial issues.

Like the Tax Cuts? Like the War in Iraq? Like the 9/11 commission?

One mind, the so called "new Democrats" AKA DLC democrats, and the other mind is the emerging Welstone Democrats. It helps to place things in prespective.

The DLC dems are the spinless jelly fish that we so dispise. And bare the responcabiliy of the issues you just mentioned, and THEN some. Oh its a long list of issues where the DLC dems have bent over backwords so far that they can kiss * butt from behind.

But the Welstone democrats have always opposed this administration. Take a look at the votes and you will see plenty having resisted. But up until this point, the DLC called the shots within the party. Oppose the DLC, and you go the way of Synthia McKinny.

A congressmen must have the backing of his party if he is to have any credabiliyt. Otherwise, he is the lone nut.

But things are changing. DK and Dean started to raise some of these issues. Issues that we have been talking about for months now. As their credability growes, so douse their stature. And fianly, critical mass was reached on the Niroby Unranum lie. And the Welstones Dems step in and fianly pressed the attack, OVER the DLC's head.

And now, both Bush and the DLC have been sivearly discredited. Their is a sea change in the Dem leadership, and I think Dean is leading the charge.

And if the roomers are true, this is only the first bomb. Withen the week, we may see the Sadam/911 link placed on trial, as well as some "explosed" reports on 911 itself. It would seem that the resent report about to be releaced conferms the LIHOP conspiricy model.

Even if Bush dose manage to get Tennet to fall on his sword, we have far more lies to throw at him than Bush has Lakyes.

"kicked our asses"? i don't think so. he's not kicking anyone's ass. he's clearly on the defensive. all he did here was deflect a head blow into a body blow. and there are more blows a-coming.

A mounted moose head fell on his head and he thinks he's Don Quixote, regardless of whether the tide is turning in our favor. Also, he keeps mentioning the war in front of the Germans ;-)

...without using fantasy and wishful thinking?

- Keep in mind that Bush* is protected by several layers of plausible deniability. Tenet was simply ONE layer of many. And never forget that the CIA building is named after George's poppy.

- I'm not Don Quixote. I'm a realist. I've seen these 'Bush* is going down in flames' fests for almost three years here at DU. I've come to the conclusion that many don't seem to understand that a real, live, actual coop took place in 2000 and indeed everything has changed.

If the Sunday Whorefests are on their knees to Bush* as usual, this story is over.

That plain and simple.

it's Rummy vs Graham on meet the press,

and Rummy vs Clark on this week with George S.

Sounds like we have the right people speaking on our behalf.

This story isn't an isolated thing. It's part of a process. Bush's approval ratings are going down dramatically. Not only that, all the polls are saying that the economy and not the war is the issue that most concerns the public. I agree that unseating Bush won't be easy and I agree that they might try to steal the election, but I don't think it's the time to be defeatist. They're really on the defensive for the first time since 9/11. It's not what happens with this story as much as how the stories are piling up and the jobs are not showing up. If, on the other hand, the job picture improves significantly, we probably don't have a prayer.

- I'm saying we WILL be defeated time and again IF we don't wake up to the consequences of allowing the Bushies to escape justice. We simply can't afford to put all our eggs in one basket and depend on the people's outrage and the 2004 election to defeat Bush*.

- We must fight the Bushies...not look for excuses to to avoid a confrontation. Let's not 'wait and see' what happens.

People are fighting Bush, and as his daily gaffes over the past week show, the guy is not invincible. Tenet's blame-taking does not in any way throw the issue out the window for most people. On Sunday I expect a hard line of questioning and good performances from the Dems. If we don't get that, I may start to agree with you in part, buti will never believe Bush is "kicking our asses" while he sinks by 19 points in the polls.

...but I'm not overestimating the power of the people who put him in office. It's not just Bush* we're fighting: it's the GOP controlled senate and house...the media...the justice department...the talking head pundits...the courts.

- Ratings and polls won't decide Bush's* political future. They're too easily manipulated to pull him out of the fire at just the right time. Haven't you notice this? It's been going on for over three years.

- Do you actually think it was a coincidence or accident that election fraud and 9-11 scandals were never investigated?

beats this. I'm not saying he won't but his options are quite limited at this point. He can't start another war. Another terror attack could very well have the opposite effect. Merely raising the terror level would just be way too obvious (though I wouldn't put it past them). Everyone and their mother knows what a fall guy is so I don't buy that anyone except his 30% hard core freeper/neocon base is OK with Tenet taking the blame and moving on. but we'll see. My gut is telling me, this WILL have lasting ripple effects, the severity is the question though.

He's far from unassailable. The numbers speak of vast seas of people who will say "uh...sure" to the "he's doing an acceptable job". The sudden drop shows the thin nature of love for him. Far fewer "absolutely love" him than did Reagan.

This guy got a lucky break that he ruthlessly exploited 22 months ago. The betrayal that can be mined for his abusive terrorizing of us to enrich himself and settle his daddy's score is abundant.

To continually think that we have to go pussyfooting around because he's got this geeeeeenyus turdblossom Rove to outwit us at every turn is laughable. This is a thug who studied under Donald Segretti and has a hobby of stealing the tricks of the gangsters of the Gilded Age. He's far from unassailable. They've played all their tricks.

Hitler looked pretty damn good in 1942, too.

Now we have slam dunk rejoinders to the nazi talking points. "What? Is it okay to lie about nuclear danger to force congress to let you have your oilgrab killing spree? Have you no decency at all? All this while the people who actually hurt us run free and recruit gleefully because of the hatred we've brought on ourselves? Are you sick? Have you no soul? Doesn't truth matter? If he'd lie about that, little piddly things like fraud and unemployment are a snap, right"

It's VERY dangerous to overestimate the enemy.

Now we have slam dunk rejoinders to the nazi talking points. "What? Is it okay to lie about nuclear danger to force congress to let you have your oilgrab killing spree? Have you no decency at all? All this while the people who actually hurt us run free and recruit gleefully because of the hatred we've brought on ourselves? Are you sick? Have you no soul? Doesn't truth matter? If he'd lie about that, little piddly things like fraud and unemployment are a snap, right"


Yours are absolutely marvelous - I'm inspired! Great post, thanks!!

History shows this to be VERY true! The killing in the American Civil war lasted three years longer than it should have, simply because, the Union Generals and their spy system overestimated their enemy!

I think if Bush tries to steal another election he Will awaken the sleeping Giant! I think if Bush gets four more years America will totally crash and burn! If we do lose, it will be nobody's fault but the un-informed! It's up to the Democratic party to turn out the usual lazy assed NON VOTER vote! We can ALL help to do that!

The more the Money Matters matter, to the average American voter, or non voter, the better our chance to stop the Bushistas from further undermining America's sovereignty! Moneywise, I CAN'T see things improving for working taxpaying Americans between now and November of 2004! The downward spiraling economy, coupled with the lack of TRUST, will take it's toll on the Bushista Mafia! We have NO choice but to keep hammering away at Bush's believers and paid propagandists! The Truth and nothing but the Truth CAN set us free!

IT'S (ALL) ABOUT POLITICS!

It seems people keep waiting for some magical leader to take them to the promised land. That may well not happen. We do have to get together to expose Bush and work on it steadily. We also have to get together to decide what issues he is most vulnerable on and expose the lies he's told there as well. These two things could work to weaken him and maybe even bring on more investigations and even a resignation. But even if they don't, they're still necessary to defeat him in 2004. And we have to all do it together.

scream and shout."

We Dems may or may not win the White House in 04, but win or lose, the political battle will continue. You need to fight but not exhaust yourself. That's absolutely necessary because we have another battle in 06, 08, 10, 12, 14, 16, ........ for as long as our form of government exists.


Poor little Chihuahuas, all they do is yap and crap, shiver and shake, and hide from their own shadows. They'll never run with the big dogs.

...so none of this is new to me.

- I'm advising against the 'wait and see' attitude I see here so often. I'm shocked that ANYONE still has faith in free and fair elections in the US.

- If Dems don't win in 2004...it will be because we missed the opportunity to do the right thing.

...but I'll admit I'm wrong if the WMD/Irag lies do ANY political damage to Bush*.

- So far he has a perfect score: from stealing an election in plain sight to successfully covering up the details surrounding the death of 3000 on 9-11.

ON edit: Question: Am I alone on this? Anyone else with a 'gut feeling' that this current scandal will evaporate in a matter of days or weeks? The Bushies are the masters at dirty tricks and creating new scandals to distract attention.

...in the headlines.

- The next couple days will tell if the story has enough momentum stay on the front page and a topic for talking heads.

I'm old enough to remember Watergate and how the coverup, not the many evil deeds and deaths of his administration, brought Nixon down. Actually, I still don't quite get that, but somehow sneaky, lying behavior seems worse to Americans than, say, killing innocent dark-skinned people.

Also, the media seems to get fixated on stories and can't stop covering them until they have utterly picked the story clean. Chandra Levy, sharks, Laci Peterson, OJ Simpson, etc. And now they are sinking their teeth into Bush's lying. They don't seem to want to be bothered to seek out new stories.

It's happening. That's why Cheney is hiding and Colin and Condi look so scared.

That's very interesting. So the subject of the scrutiny, the fellow being investigated, just said that we don't need to keep looking at this anymore and we can all go home.

Bull Fucking Shit!!!

What if we applied this type of reasoning to all walks of life...
Case closed...let's just move on

funny editorial here that sees a certain Zen approach to all of this...

http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff07122003.html

"If you cheated on your spouse and now she or he is nagging you about it, tell her or him to stop complaining. You've "moved on." The issue is closed."

Hilarious
:)

They haven't even began to slow the momentum yet of what they started. When I hear of lefties picking up torches and storming the Bastille, something is starting to cook. I fully expected much more aggressiveness on the other side. Patience is a virtue, and even more in this day and age.

When you win with the rules you set up before it ever stated, instead of getting compromised by theirs, that is time when you know you have done something. The metaphorical of the “ass kicking” would work on the other side. Where it says "In God We Trust" does have a profound meaning, you just have to wait for it sometimes.

and I think tonight may be just such a time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Q, I bet you've inspired a lot of thought this evening. :

...that the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.

- But one thing I noticed this morning has me a bit concerned...although I can't say it was unexpected.

- The Neocons are rallying the troops. They're already calling this a 'wtich hunt' against Bush*...and that we're only playing partisan politics right before the 2004 election.

- I've been challenging the Democratic party to confront the Bushies for almost three years now. Many Dems don't seem to realize or remember that they're the most vicious politicians on the face of the earth.

The CIA just stabbed bunnypants in the back...with a rusty spoon...it's headline news at the washington post, and even msnbc

...in 2004. Right now the neocon fanatics/zealots are standing behind 'their' president and accusing US of trying to 'destroy' him.

- This is what it's going to be all about now: It's not Bush's* fault and we're only trying to ruin him right before the election.