Anyone know the relationship between VANNEVAR Bush and PRESCOTT Bush?

...If any?

The reason I ask: Vannevar Bush was one of the top dogs in the MANHATTAN Project during World War II. Afterward, he helped set up the military-industrial complex.

http://mcel.pacificu.edu/JAHC/JAHCIII1/P-REVIEWS/zachary.html



Vannevar Bush was waaaay ahead of his time. He beat out GOOGLE by 50 years, with his idea for the MEMEX.

As We May Think

EXCERPT...

Consider a future device for individual use, which is a sort of mechanized private file and library. It needs a name, and to coin one at random, ``memex'' will do. A memex is a device in which an individual stores all his books, records, and communications, and which is mechanized so that it may be consulted with exceeding speed and flexibility. It is an enlarged intimate supplement to his memory.

SOURCE: http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~jod/texts/vannevar.bush.html


Anyway, I'm wondering about his relationship to the Prescott-George Herbert Walker-George Walker-Bush line.

It's odd that someone that smart could be related to them, but with euenics and NAZIs and CIA, anything's possible.

I can't find a straight answer online. Any help would be much appreciated.

she has an exhaustive BFEE lineage in "The Family". I couldn't find any mention in a quick check of index.

... to belong to the BFEE. Here are a few Vannevar Bush quotes:

A belief may be larger than a fact. A faith that is overdefined is the very faith most likely to prove inadequate to the great moments of life.

Fear cannot be banished, but it can be calm and without panic; it can be mitigated by reason and evaluation.

If scientific reasoning were limited to the logical processes of arithmetic, we should not get very far in our understanding of the physical world. One might as well attempt to grasp the game of poker entirely by the use of the mathematics of probability.

Science has a simple faith, which transcends utility. It is the faith that it is the privilege of man to learn to understand, and that this is his mission.

SOURCE:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/v/vannevar_bush.html

Gee. I wonder if he'd crack up to hear Smirko say: "Is our children learnin'?"

So odds are he's no relation to the crazy monkey or his money grubbing NAZI kin.

Vannevar Bush

Vannevar Bush (March 11, 1890–June 30, 1974) was an American scientist.

Born in Chelsea, Massachusetts, Bush was educated at Tufts College, graduating in 1913. He joined the Department of Electrical Engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1919, and was a professor there from 1923–32. He constructed a Differential Analyser, an analog computer that could solve differential equations with as many as 18 independent variables, based on Charles Babbage's Difference Engine. An offshoot of the Differential Analyser was the birth of digital circuit design theory by one of Bush's graduate students, Claude Shannon.

Bush was president of the Carnegie Institute of Washington in 1939 and in the same year appointed chair of National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. In 1940, Bush became chairman of the National Defense Research Committee and in 1941 director of Office of Scientific Research and Development, which controlled the Manhattan Project. He recommended the creation of what would become the National Science Foundation. Bush was also a cofounder of the defense contractor Raytheon.

He invented the concept of what he called the memex in the 1930s, "a device in which an individual stores all his books, records, and communications, and which is mechanized so that it may be consulted with exceeding speed and flexibility" and indicated what would become hypertext. His ideas were first published in the essay "As We May Think" in Atlantic Monthly in 1945. In the article, Bush predicted that, "Wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified." A few months later (November 19th 1945) Life magazine published an article with several ilustrations showing what a memex machine, and its companion devices, could look like.

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http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/v/va/vannevar_bush.html

now I have to start going thru books and talk to my dad's old friends about this guy.Thanks for the post,this Bush sounds like an interesting person.

My interest has to do with the establishment of the national security state. Smirko's roots making money off war go clear back to World War I when one of his grandpappys headed the war industries board. Former Nixon brain Kevin Phillips pegs them:

Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil

Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president

by Kevin Phillips
 
Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president.

SNIP...

This four-generation evolution of the Bushes involves multiple links that could become Bush's election-year Achilles' heel — if a clever and tough 2004 Democratic opponent can punch and slice at them. Massachusetts Sen. John F. Kerry, the clear Democratic front-runner, could be best positioned to do so. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, he investigated the Iran-Contra and Bank of Credit and Commerce International scandals, both of which touched George H.W. Bush's Saudi, Iraqi and Middle Eastern arms-deal entanglements.

Washington lawyer Jack Blum, the ace investigator for Kerry's subcommittee back then, is said to be advising him now, which could be meaningful. Ironically, the Bush family's century of involvement in oil, armaments and global intrigue has never been at the center of the national debate since the Bushes starting running for president in 1980.

The reason? Insufficient public knowledge. The only Bush biography published before George H.W. Bush won election in 1988 was a puff job written by a former press secretary, and the biographies of George W. Bush in 2000 barely mentioned his forefathers. Millions of Republicans who have loyally voted for Bushes in three presidential elections simply have no idea. Here are circumstances and biases especially worth noting.

The Bushes and the military-industrial complex: George H. Walker and Samuel Prescott Bush were the dynasty's founding fathers during the years of and after World War I. Walker, a St. Louis financier, made his mark in corporate reorganizations and war contracts. By 1919, he was enlisted by railroad heir W. Averell Harriman to be president of Wall Street-based WA Harriman, which invested in oil, shipping, aviation and manganese, partly in Russia and Germany, during the 1920s. Sam Bush, the current president's other great-grandfather, ran an Ohio company, Buckeye Steel Castings, that produced armaments. In 1917, he went to Washington to head the small arms, ammunition and ordnance section of the federal War Industries Board. Both men were present at the emergence of what became the U.S. military-industrial complex.

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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

this is going to be fun, most of these guys are dead now but there must be info somewhere.

are kinda creepy.

http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/science+society/lectures/illustrations/lecture32/bush.jpg

The other one looked like it was taken circa 1916. Long exposure times made it hard to keep still long enough. If the portrait were of Smirko, his beady eyes would have been blinking and shifting back and forth so much it would look like he was a cyclops.

But, you are right about the creepy eyes factor. One author says Vannevar counseled Truman to drop the bomb. The overriding reason was to hasten the end of the conflict with the fewest U.S. casualties. Can't say that I blame him, as the time was total war and the enemy wouldn't have hesitated to use it against us.

From Science, Civilization and Society

...Bush contracted research out to academic institutions and industry. By deciding the placement of scientists in institutions the OSRD had a large influence on the structure of universities and other research establishments. One section of the OSRD worked on nuclear fission as the forerunner of the Manhattan Project, and in 1945 Bush recommended to President Truman the use of the atomic bomb on Japanese cities. (Shurkin, 1984)

SOURCE:

http://www.es.flinders.edu.au/~mattom/science+society/lectures/illustrations/lecture32/bush.html

Vannevar thought we might be able to get supercomputers down to the size of the Empire State Building, if cooled by Niagara Falls. Then again, he was thinking with the technology of his times -- vacuum tubes.

http://www.eecs.mit.edu/AY95-96/events/bush/f2.html

For as much as I knock the Bushes and the MI-Complex, we owe our freedom to Vannevar and those in service to our country. They fought the fascists and the commies and never gave in. For that, I'm eternally grateful. And that is why I fight the fascists and the commies today... the War Party that is the BFEE.

I spent a while googling on this when it came up here a year or so ago. Vannevar Bush was the son of a minister, as I recall, and though I couldn't trace his family any further back than that, it seemed to be New England all the way. The BFEE Bushes started in New England but had been out in Ohio for several generations. So if there's any connection at all (which I doubt), it's too long ago to be of any significance.

Vannevar Bush is generally credited with being the reason why the Internet is constructed in the radically decentralized manner that it is. So if the Net turns out to be what saves us from Bushite totalitarianism, we will have him to thank.

Vannevar's dad was a minister. His New England ancestors were sea captains. Fascinating folk.

Your observation of the irony of the internets sends me to rest with a smile! Thanks, DU Friend!

not known at this time. ( traces Vannevar back several generations in Rhode Island area)

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?vannevar::bush::4215.html

Much obliged for the info. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out.

Vannevar just seems so ... smart. Too smart to get involved in things like thievery and the rest of the BFEE business.

that both Bush lines trace back to Rhode Island, and the shipping industry (although alot of New Englanders got into shipping and a fair number of them died at sea as a result).
Suppose Timothy Bush Sr (1730) and William (1740) were brothers.
That would make Vannevar and Prescott 4th cousins once removed (meaning Vannevar is a 4th cousin to Prescott's dad). Vannevar and JR would then be 4th cousins 3 times removed. Of course, I cannot find my chart, but I think the amount of shared genetic material between two distant relations like that would average under 5% perhaps under 1%.
Of course, the possibility exists that William and Timothy are 2nd cousins rather than brothers, or even that there is no close relation between them.

n/t

If Smirko was truly faith-based, he might see a connection through Adam and Eve. But the only way the BFEE sees other human beings are as mopes, cannon fodder and slaves.

as far as I can research Vannevar was born 11 Mar 1890 and is the son of Richard Perry Bush 1856 Mass and Emma Linwood Paine 1862 Mass. Richard Perry Bush is the son of Richard P Bush 1825 Mass and Mary W 1833 Mass. That is as far back as I can go in census records. The BFEE at the time is represented by James Smith Bush 1825 Rochester, NY. James' father is Obadiah Newcomb Bush 1797 Penfield, NY, son of Timothy Bush 1766 Lebanon, Ct.
It is always possible that Richard is a grandson of Timothy or a great-grandson of Timothy's father, and so on, but we can be sure that Prescott Bush is not a first or 2nd cousin to Vannevar. So any relation would be further than 2nd cousin twice removed between JR Bush and Vannevar.

I truly appreciate the research. The detail tells me you know your stuff. Thank you very much.

Regarding my quest: Common sense tells me that there are a lot of Bushes out there and the vast majority are good people. And I always hope that the picture is brighter than what it appears. These blood lines, even remote connections, are important to know. The BFEE is worse than the mob. The mafia tries to minimize civilian casualties.

Read "War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race."

... and will add it to the must-read pile next to my pillow. A friend of mine is friends with the author, Edwin Black. For a New York Times guy, he's really on the ball.

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

I appreciate the help on Vannevar. I'd like to know more about him, especially if he has helped create today's BFEE. From the little I've learned, the guy was instrumental in setting up the MI-Complex. Finding out he's involved with the eugenics movement really brings up some of the more negative attributes of today's ruling class.

OTOH: Vannevar may have played a role in shutting down the old-style "science" of eugenics:

Progressing from Eugenics to Human Genetics
Celebrating the 70th Birthday of Professor Newton E. Morton

C.C. Li

EXCERPT...

On the other hand, the eugenics movement and research in the United States fell far short of the expected standard of a science. The Eugenics Record Office at Cold Spring Harbor did collect and accumulate many thousands of sheets of manuscripts and reports, but the data were biased and methodology of analysis false. In 1935, the administrators of the Carnegie Institution of Washington appointed a committee to assess its work; the committee found its work unsatisfactory. In 1939, Vannevar Bush, the new President of the Carnegie Institution, persuaded Harry Laughlin, the head of the Eugenics Record Office, to follow Davenport into retirement. In the next year (1940), the Eugenics Record Office was shut down entirely.

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http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowFulltext&ProduktNr=224250&Ausgabe=225932&ArtikelNr=22888

I seem to recall that one of the proposed applications of the A-bomb was to extract oil using underground nuclear explosions ...

I'm not certain, but that's what the gist of this article in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists says. Wow. MI-Complex is right. These guys may've thought the only way to make sure we came out on top was to outspend and outhink and outnuke everybody else on the planet. So far, so good. But the future still doesn't look any brighter, considering how so many nutty nations have their own nukes.

Thanks for the info, Lisa. This is opening up some connections that I had not considered or imagined...

Atoms for Peace

Did the 50-year-old Atoms for Peace program accelerate nuclear weapons proliferation? The jury has been in for some time on this question, and the answer is yes.

 By Leonard Weiss
November/December 2003  pp. 34-41, 44 (vol. 59, no. 06) © 2003 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

The character of the Atoms for Peace program and the political decisions that shaped it have been the subject of numerous books and scholarly papers. But many popular narratives of the program begin with Dwight Eisenhower's famous December 1953 "Atoms for Peace" speech at the United Nations, giving the impression that the program as we know it and its consequences were the logical result of the proposals contained in the speech. This ignores the political context of the speech, as well as the history of earlier thought on peaceful nuclear activities following the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Not only did the execution of the Atoms for Peace program essentially ignore the basic idea in Eisenhower's speech, but the program also went down a path that experts had predicted would lead to proliferation. Understanding the historical background of the speech is vital to explaining why.

SNIP...

Truman also proposed creating a U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) to direct nuclear research and to establish control over the basic materials essential to the development of nuclear energy, peaceful or otherwise. The AEC was "to interfere as little as possible with private research and private enterprise."

Truman's message came at a time when the United States had a monopoly on nuclear weapons as well as a head start on nuclear development. His subsequent meetings with the prime ministers of Britain and Canada resulted in the Agreed Declaration of November 15, 1945, which called for international control of nuclear energy; the signers believed that neither countermeasures nor secrecy provided adequate defense from the bomb's revolutionary destructiveness. Truman was prepared to negotiate with the Soviets as well, but Secretary of State James Byrnes did not favor dealing directly with the Soviets and latched onto a proposal by Vannevar Bush, one of the organizers of the bomb effort, to have the United Nations be the forum in which the future of the bomb would be debated. At a meeting in Moscow, the Soviets agreed to help create a U.N. commission on atomic energy.

The Acheson-Lilienthal report

To craft U.S. policy proposals for submission to the U.N. commission, Byrnes asked Acheson to chair a committee, which consisted of Bush, James Conant, John McCloy, and Leslie Groves. Acheson appointed a board of consultants to work out the details of the proposals. The board was chaired by David Lilienthal, former head of the Tennessee Valley Authority, and included Robert Oppenheimer, former scientific director of the Manhattan Project.

After six weeks of intensive work, on March 16, 1946, the board presented the committee with a 57-page policy report on the international control of atomic energy. What has come to be known as the Acheson-Lilienthal report contained some startling conclusions about nuclear development and the risk of nuclear proliferation. The board determined that the pursuit of atomic energy and the pursuit of atomic bombs were in large part interchangeable and interdependent, and that because of global rivalries, an international inspections regime based on good faith was doomed to fail.

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http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=nd03weiss