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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:05 PM
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Oh, God, here comes the anti-Dem spin... on MSNBC
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 05:13 PM by jdj
So now the repukes know they are going to lose this, and they are saying that dems failed to "stand up for Terri Schiavo". Ron Reagan is bashing dems, "this is why as a liberal, I'm not a democrat." The newsbot just said she is a republican.

When the fuck do journalists reveal their political affiliation on air or in print?

Dems "missed the boat" on this, and Repukes "leapt before they looked".

Ron Reagan is a fucking moron to jump on this bandwagon, I can't believe he doesn't see what is going on.


"now, john, lets get back to the issue of the democrats on this..."

I"m repulsed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:06 PM
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1. noting personal but why do yuo watch that crap?
You'll feel much better by turning the teevee off, permamently
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:07 PM
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4. because I want to know what is going on with this case.
and there is just as much crap on the internet as on tv. including on this website, so let's not get uppity.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:15 PM
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12. Which war-profiteer megacorporation owns this website?
OH wait, that's General Electric, defense contractor, who owns MSNBC. Sorry.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:19 PM
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16. the admins generally don't control content unless it breaks
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 05:20 PM by jdj
the rules, so you get all kinds of crap from chemtrails to all manner of stuff in the lounge.

edit: I forgot my point, which is that you have to use discretion with every source, regardless, which is why I am calling Ron Reagan a moron right now, though it's DU p.c. to fawn over him.
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:07 PM
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2. Which newsbot was it? n/t
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 05:09 PM by AverageJoe
Edit: fixed "newsbot" -- had "fembot," but that's not what you called her. (Blush)
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:36 PM
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32. yes it was, I changed mine.
my mistake.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:07 PM
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3. I'm surprised at Ron Reagan's attitude
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:08 PM
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5. turn it on, grab your doggie bag, and watch.
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 05:09 PM by jdj
there is a great dem strategist on here trying to bash some sense into both of them, but they keep bringing it back to the dems.

!! dem strategist made a great point about how medicaid is helping Terri while Bush wants to cut $15 billion from medicaid.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:13 PM
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10. So am I. Surprised and disappointed.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:16 PM
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13. No effective liberal will get a show on a corporate network.
The only one's are the 'useful' idiots that reinforce the view that the right wings corporations wants american to have of liberals.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:29 PM
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42. Bingo!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:17 PM
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15. I Don't Think That's What He Meant
I was listening to the TV while I was in the other room, and I think he IS criticizing the Dems... For not sticking up for Terri and Michael Schiavo. For letting the Repubs frame this argument and grandstand. That's how I took it, anyway. Ron Reagan has been squarely behind Michael Schiavo on this.

And for the record, I agree with him: it's why I'm not a Democrat, either, although that's how I vote. Not too many Democratic Socialist candidates in my neck of the woods.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:23 PM
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21. I'm not talking about his stance on Michael Schiavo.
I'm talking about his stupidity in participating in the right's attempt to turn focus fromt his major republican gaffe to the "failure of dems" to do whatever the hell the right wants to portray them as having failed to do.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:29 PM
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26. Okay -- Misunderstood n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:25 PM
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23. Thanks, that's what I thought. And BTW, I am a Democrat. NT
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:10 PM
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6. The other day he said he thought Michael Schiavo was doing the right
Edited on Wed Mar-23-05 05:11 PM by NYCGirl
thing, and argued mightily for the right to die with dignity. Are you sure you didn't see something out of context?

Edited to add: And Reagan also thought the Republicans were absolutely wrong to turn it into a political issue.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:17 PM
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14. absolutely not out of context.
I quoted him saying "this is why as a liberal, I am not a democrat", the dems "missed the boat" "failed to stand up for Terri Schiavo" and "flip-flopped" this morning on their votes.

He's an idiot right now, in this case. Of course they had some other repuke on there, but the one dem strategist handled all three of them very well, despite being out-numbered.

I loathe dems who can't see that they are being used as tools, Reagan ought to be smart enough to see that he is being used in this case to turn focuse from this MAJOR FUCK-UP of the repukes to a dem failure somehow. By now, Reagan ought to know this is repuke SOP.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:19 PM
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17. I'm TiVoing it now, so I'll see it later on.
Perhaps by "failing to stand up for Schiavo" he meant "telling the right wing to get their hands off the case and stop treating it like a political football" which the Democrats in the Senate didn't do.

Anyway, I'll see it later.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:27 PM
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24. if it means that much to you then I wouldn't watch it.
You seem to be going to great lengths to try to convince yourself Reagan wouldnt' do what he did and say what he said. He said it. He did it. Which isn't the point, the point is that he isn't politically astute enough to understand he is being used, and to understand that we need to keep the repukes under the lens while this plays out, as they are the power brokers in this case. Dems are powerless to do much at all, and the fact that 104 dems in the house didn't even vote on this shows some of them at least understand that.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:28 PM
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25. Don't you worry about me. I can handle it. NT
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:33 PM
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29. okay, I'm reassured.
I know alot of people here are a fan of his. I hate to say this, but as soon as any one of "our people" take a job on one of those networks, I write them off. That may be wrong, but it's just too painful to watch it play out, it's like having a close friend in an abusive relationship, and she keeps going back no matter how badly she gets beaten each time. At some point you just have to separate yourself.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:12 PM
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7. BTW, that must be MSNBC you're watching, not CNN. NT
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MeDeMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:12 PM
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8. on CNN ? did you mean MSNBC ? n/t
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:12 PM
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9. oops, they're all the same to me.
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Undercover Owl Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:13 PM
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11. polls show majority of US are against govt. intervention
in the Schaivo case.

So, now, they are desperately trying to create the illusion that Democrats are wrong, and that the minority view is the majority view.

Just lies, that's all.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:20 PM
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18. er.. isn't it a repub majority in the Fla state house?
which just voted down a Schaivo bill?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:21 PM
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19. I think we should find a way to blame everything on John F. Kerry
It's just easier that way.

(Fuck you Ron Reagan Jr...you are no better than THEM yet you think you are..)
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:24 PM
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22. they just showed a clip of Kerry and Edwards at a campaign event
waving to the crowd, while they we're talking about how dems "failed" with regards to this issue.

I'm spitting nails right now.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:36 PM
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31. The only thing I feel a wee bit smug about is
that I have kept my vow to never watch CNN or Faux again or MSNBC (except for Countdown with Olbermann once in awhile) since November 3rd. I will never ever watch Hardball or any show with the premise that he/she said is reality and that there is never any objective fact.

I don't have to hear their lies and distortations and actually my life is better.

I don't get the ad nauseum play of the abducted and murdered child (depresses me all day)or court case-because it's all death porn all the time AND bashing Dems.

That's all they show.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:55 PM
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34. Ridiculous!
It's obviously Clinton's fault!
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:22 PM
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20. Which newsbot said they were Republican?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:29 PM
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27. well. it's a woman, it is probably early thirties, and it has bleach blond
hair.

that narrows the field to what, around 100,000 spokesmodel pseudo-journalist types who are putting the fat ugly old but intelligent people who are actually reporters out of work.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:33 PM
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28. What issue of the Democrats?
With the help of the Democrats, the Republican's got their unconstitutional bill passed in Congress.

Exactly how are they blaming this on Democrats? If they're talking the general population, well the polls I've seen not only show a majority of Democrats oppose this action but the majority of Republicans and Independents do too.

Sick.

If they want to *blame* someone, blame the law and the many courts that have ruled in favor of the law.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:34 PM
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30. good lord.....with this corporate whore media
your damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:47 PM
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33. well if you are a dem, you're damned, period.
you don't have to do anything at all.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:56 PM
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35. Neither of them are journalists.
They're pundits.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:04 PM
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39. what's her face is a nobody, posing as a journalist.
it's one thing if you are a celebrity of some sort, but when you rep a news org like this as an employee of that news org, and have no other "claim to fame" then people will assume you are a reporter or journalist.

She is no different than any other face on their, and in that case every "pundit" should identify their political affiliation every time on air before they even address issues, to drive home the point that they are in no way objective, which is what reporters at least used to pretend to be.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:56 PM
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36. A republican Florida Legislature let her die.
Remind them that.
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johnnyrocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 05:57 PM
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37. Ron Regan on the looney train, too!?
Oh, thats too bad...TV news is disguting crap these days...
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:02 PM
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38. Well, the Democrats DID get on board.
I'm one of the most hesitant to bash Democrats I'm loyal to them as my party), but they ARE suffering a major lack of backbone. I was hoping they would have stood up on this one, but they disappointed me again.

I hope this teaches them that maybe they should be a bit more vocal in their opposition to these nuts.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:05 PM
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40. it was lose/ lose for them and they knew it.
also, they aren't in control of congress or the state leg. in FL. They played their hand well on this one, because the truth is it is a state's rights issue, a separation of powers issue, and a personal family issue, and congress doesn't have the right to be legislating on any of those.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-23-05 06:07 PM
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41. IMO, too many Dems voted for it. Way too many. nt
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