This is so hypocritical

I worked at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas which is a Baptist hospital.
The Baptist Convention is 1/2 mile away.
There is a representative of the Baptist Convention on the Abrams report right now saying that giving food and water via feeding tubes should not be considered extraordinary means when ending life support, yet in their hospital this practice of taking people off of feedings occurs frequently--I hesitate to say every day.
I wonder if their bible thumpers realize this.
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oops edited for spelling:)

but your subject line made me think this was going to be about being critical of fat people.

It's ironic that a poster using the term "horse" would also use "hippo" as the latter means "horse" in Greek, IIRC.

Hippopotamus literally means a "river horse."

Now, to address your post, Baylor University Medical Center is not related to or affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Not even the flagship Baylor University campus in Waco is. There is a group of moderate Baptists in Texas (and a lot of them are very wealthy) who saw the handwriting on the wall and rechartered both institutions free from SBC influence many years ago.

Another dirty little secret one would find in demographic research is that the better-educated Baptists are more likely to be both moderate and have substantial wealth than the mouth breathers who have taken over the SBC over the last 25 years.

You sound like you speak from personal experience; most non-Baptists wouldn't know the details you speak of.

I am active with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship myself, have been since its inception in 1990.

anymore. My pastor has turned the church into an arm of the GOP. To paraphrase the late Texas Gov. John Connally who said it of Democrats when he joined the GOP and Nixon administration, "I didn't leave the Baptists. The Baptists left me."

A previous pastor (and he was a man of letters compared to the current one, who is a former high school coach and now sees world politics as a gigantic fatal football game between Christians and Muslims) did favor a more moderate approach and sought to keep the local church out of ALL politics, whether it be GOP or intradenominational.

Certainly he would never have openly campaigned for * from the pulpit as our current pastor did all last year.

Last month the church held its annual revival. The backdrop was not the Cross, but rather a huge American flag. I kept expecting someone dressed up like General Patton to come out and give his famous speech about "making the other poor dumb bastard die for HIS country."

All this God and Country stuff is so against what Baptists have traditionally stood for. Baptists used to be champions of church/state separation, but not anymore. I feel the same way as you, Baptists left me, too. They left everything that they used to stand for, everything I still stand for.

where an argument can be made that the one closest to her making the decision really does not love her. I mean even i don't know what to think and I have not been following it very much. So unlike most cases where the family would be behind the decision..there is a split.

This fight - going on for years - and with Jeb having some control over the issue a governor..is something people have been able to invest in. And the issue of right to life gets highlighted. And it doesn't cost much to anybody. Nobody but the families are in pain.

Any other situation would be cut and dried in terms of family support for oral or paper living will, or the obvious cruelty involved in not giving the parents the decision if they do not have the money (as in Texas).

The right to lifers want to score political points and they need something vague to do that (that way it is easier for all to read their own meaning into it). Terry is perfect for that. So more than one group gets fulfilled. And they do not embarrass Bush (which they would obviously never do or they would be activating in Dallas and Houston Hospitals).

As per usual it is about the power of the followers and throwing bones to them or activating them. The longer the problem goes on... the more the right to lifers get something out of it.

support the death penalty, B* signed a law while Gov. of Texas that allowed hospitals to stop medical intervention in 'hopeless cases' (like this current one!) if the family members couldn't afford it (the 'right to life' groups are paying for Terry's legal fees and hospital fees now), and they have murdered 100's of 1,000's of innocent people in Iraq, under the guise of a falsely created and falsely promoted war so that Iraq would be free of One Evil Dictator.

They care about this one single human being? Give me a break. It's completely political. I hate the Dems right now for their absolute spineless lack of courage. The only thing that could possibly save this woman would be something that this group denies...Stem Cell Research.

Where and when were you at Baylor? I rotated through there years ago as a medical student (from Southwestern) and did a year of residency there, and yes, they pull feeding tubes frequently out of compssion and necessity...

Yeah and I think they are defining hopeless in this context as being out of money.

She was ready to go, so the tubes were taken away and she was given morphine to keep her out of pain. She was gone before the end of the day and she died peacefully. My grandfather died in a similar fashion -- he wasn't using a feeding tube, but he stopped eating. He was also given pain killers and died peacefully. Most people in my family have died in a similar manner and I hope it's the same for me when it's my time.

of what this is all about. media and repugs have held this all in a religious, moral and emotional issue. they have not gone to science or fact. if more people learned what i did the last 5 days, from listening to experts and people that have time and time again experienced this with loved ones who died, this whole thing would be different

surprise, the media let the people down once again

Surely you jest!