O' Lord, what possible purpose is served by her prolonged suffering?

mopaul

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:03 AM
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O' Lord, what possible purpose is served by her prolonged suffering?

Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 06:33 AM by mopaul

Amen

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:05 AM
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1. amen, indeed.

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blogbear

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:08 AM
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2. r w polititical manipulation..

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Spinzonner

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:10 AM
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3. What makes you think she is suffering ?

Those who support the assertion that she is in a Permanent Vegatative State indicate that the removal of the feeding tube nd water and nutrition will not result in a painful death and that she is unable to 'appreciate' pain.

If that is so, then any suffering she is experiencing is likely to be existential - whatever that means in this case.

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mopaul

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:11 AM
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4. suffering to go home

take her home Lord, I beseech thee.

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Cooley Hurd

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:16 AM
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5. Can we have an AMEN for Brother Mo!

Halle-fucking-lujah!:D

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mopaul

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:17 AM
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6. canigitawitness?

o glory!

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Spinzonner

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:23 AM
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7. Ah, another arational response

Sometimes it gets hard to who's on which side of the argument (not the result) without a program.

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mopaul

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:28 AM
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8. my wife and i are atheists

and we both agree, given the circumstances, we'd just as soon die, like even the mighty sequoia must.

suffering the lack of death. suffering between worlds. suffering like a zombie. hell, we're all suffering from it.

medically, maybe i used the wrong word, but i couldn't suffer to see my own wife like that for 15 years, i'd rather she die, and me with her.

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Spinzonner

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:47 AM
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11. Well, that is very different

And I can see that both the Schindlers and Terri's husband are suffering over the same situation but for very different reasons and to different ends.

But that is not Terri's suffering if most of the physicians - and in particular those who have examined her in person - are correct.

So, I have to wonder, has Terri become almost irrelevant in this. Not in a legal sense, of course - that seems to be all that's left of her - but in a moral one.

And, just out of curiosity, what are the worlds to be between for an atheist. One is this one - which I presume to refer to sentience in some way. What's the other ?

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Swamp Rat

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:31 AM
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9. T� bom jumento!

N�o te preocupes e queima seu mentinha com algo t�o abstrato. :D

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Inland

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Thu Mar-24-05 08:11 AM
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13. I don't have a problem with that.

I tend my father in laws grave and help families fulfill the last internment wishes of deceased.

I do this knowing the dead are dead, and either don't know or don't care what is being done.

The reason we do it for them is why we do it for her.

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radfringe

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:40 AM
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10. there is none

her parents maintain she is aware of her surroundings -- assuming this is true imagine being held prisoner in your own body and unable to respond...

my LTTE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3338488

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Disturbed

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Thu Mar-24-05 06:54 AM
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12. What is death?

A body that is only functioning with a cerebral cortex may be living but is what we define as a person living within that body alive?

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Silverhair

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Thu Mar-24-05 08:31 AM
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14. You have just made the case for keeping the tube in.

The case for removing the tube is that she is ALREADY beyond all suffering or hope or anything else. She is in a vegetative state. Terri is ALREADY dead, only by artificial means is the shell that she lived in alive.

If she is able to suffer, then she is able to feel and there may be the possibility of healing and recovery.

NOTE: Anything stated in only a couple of sentences is obviously a general statement and not intended to cover all situations and cases.

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