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butchcjg Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:25 PM
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If "starvation" is cruel, then why don't they ACT NOW and....
If "starvation" is so "cruel"....

Then, why doesn't the Florida Legislature just ACT NOW and accept that they've lost the court battle...and instead, step in and pass a law that allows for painless euthanasia in cases like this??

I mean, wouldnt that give Terri some "relief".

Their failure to even consider this just shows that they dont really care about *Terri*, but rather just the issue at large and the whole "pro-life" thing.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:27 PM
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Now, wouldn't that be ironic?
Can you imagine the Republican implosion if the "right-to-life" fight over Terri Schiavo resulted in euthanasia laws being passed?

I'd need popcorn for that one.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:34 PM
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3. Popcorn and a beer.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:27 PM
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1. There is nothing that says
they can't put her on a slow morphine drip to compensate for any pain she "may" be feeling. That's what they did for my mother after her heart attack, and she went very peacefully.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:33 PM
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2. I'm going to assume that was SOP when the tube was removed.
I can't imagine any other way.
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butchcjg Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:41 PM
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4. we dont know that they haven't
We dont know that they haven't put her on a morphine drip. Most people I know who had relatives in this position said that's what happened.

But, we can't get the "truth" out of them or the media, so who knows. but they probably did.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:52 PM
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5. I think they should decide first who has custody of her.
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 04:57 PM by cat_girl25
Once that is decided, the winner could do whatever they want. This is ridiculous.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 04:55 PM
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6. very good!
that's been my argument from the beginning - after all of this is over and a year or two have gone by, we will still only have this one tool in our toolbox.

Of course, you're also right on the money - they absolutely don't want an individual to have the right of self determination. If I were terminally ill with a disease that was going to turn me INTO a persistent vegetative state, I would want to make my goodbyes now, throw a going away party and be on my way while everyone still remembered me as vital and alive.

It is anathema to conservatives to consider that I should be allowed to make that decision for myself and execute it, and in fact it's illegal and if I failed at the attempt I would be involuntarily committed for psych evaluation and kept under observation! My life insurance would not have to pay out since I am "committing a crime", and I would be forced to endure the slow loss of my personality and awareness until I was as stupid as dubya.

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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:22 PM
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7. If GOP is against starvation, why dont they end the hunger of 12 million
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 05:24 PM by oscar111
US citizens?

they just cut Food Stamps to up hunger from 12 to 13 million.

They call it politely "a shortfall" of food stamps.

13 billion would end all hunger.

bush's taxcuts for the rich were 35O billion roughly.

roll back the cuts.

3oo billion would end all poverty. Including of course, all hunger, all homelessness.

As things are now, we see things like the taxcuts for the rich, funding one thousand dollar omlets at the Parker Meridian hotel in NYC. One thousand dolars for one omlet. Go ten blocks west , and hungry folks are sleeping on a piece of sidewalk.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 05:31 PM
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8. 225 starved outright in NYC during GOP's Great Depression
Hospital records, from early thirties.

GOP sure has a mixed record on starving people.

BTW, those stats are hard to find. took me days of emailing back and forth, and googling.

Who knows the real starvation toll for the entire thirties, nationwide.. not just NYC? I would be curious to learn it.

PBS last night said in W Va, whole commujnities survived by eating dandelions and other grasses. One town shot zoo animals and served them to citizens.
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