The Shiavo Case IS the Most Important News Event ....ever

..at least for the future of this nation. This is where the religious right who have taken control of this government is making their "I'm taking over this government and destroying it right here and right now" stand. It's not just what they have been working towards for 20 years. It's the fight to see if the brain dead (excuse the pun) Americans are significantly dead in the brain to allow them to change forever the checks and balances and, thus, our government. It's not just some media frenzy freak show. It's the battle they have prepared for. The question is whether, as many have said, we are super brilliant in staying out of the way. Or, whether we goddamn better not suppose it will turn out our way (has it ever)and make a stand for the rule of law and the US Constitution. No one hears silence... nor remembers it. Don't kid yourselves.

My opinion is that the woman should be allowed to die as she wished. However, the right looks so nuts, I feel I don't have to say much. :shrug:

But you're right about our continual losses. We keep expecting people to be reasonable, but for some reason madness and spectacle keep winning the day. I don't get it. :(

that their madness and spectacle is "standing for something," while silence is standing for nothing. Continual losses come from not "standing for something" no matter how nutjobbish.

So they lose this battle they will keep up the attacks over Terri Schiavo for years.

They will use this to get their extreme right wing judges installed.
because they will keep it up.

They will be in every mixed message board and every chat room still whining and passing their lies even after they have been disproven.

They will do this more easily because they are paid by the right wing foundations.

They will make hundreds of "friends" on the internet and in everyday life that they keep telling their lies to and contering any liberal thought their "friends" have.

While we sit on a liberal board and bemoan our shrinking power and the horror of the Bush administration.

the huge mistake of this. making this oh so powerful group a small number. and how we dont want this to happen to our nation. supporting exactly what you are saying.

understandably they are politicians

and yes, i agree it is that important, this issue

i give it one more day and a weekend before the media moves on to something else.

First of all, I am not a religious nut. I am not even religious.


Things I wonder about:

Why this forum thinks it is only Right Wing Religious Nuts who have issues with how this woman is dying?

Why Michael did not "remember" she never wanted to be on earth in this manner years after the fact that she was.

And yes, he has a new family now but still dictates whether she lives or dies.


I have read so many posts here lately about this conflict. I have watched it become political and her parents criticized. Michael raked over the coals at other places. People blaming parents here on her bulimia? Suggesting she would hate being "Seen" on tv because of her bulimia, but in the same sentence saying she is not there to care.


On her dying:
I think the "there" in here is no longer there. I do not think there is a recovery possibly. That being said.......


Does her not being there as a personality make her less human? Some of the discussion I have seen pretty much make fun of anyone caring for the body that lies in that hospital, and the fact we are voluntary starving it because there is no "there" there. I am conflicted with that.


I am conflicted that a man married to a woman he loves can so callously treat the parents of that woman. Yes, maybe he feels that they need to come to terms. But as a parent, my god, hopefully I will never get to that point, but I can understand their need to have her even in this limited aspect. He has kids now with another woman. Does not some part of him feel compassion for what they are going through? For all of those who said Terri never wanted to be this way; how would she KNOW she was this way to care? The parents get comfort from this person. She has a purpose here in that manner.


Bottom line, I do not believe him about Terri's wishes. I know many of you have expressed you would not like to live that way. That is your decision. Some others would prefer the hook up...that is their decision. But honestly, I find it totally dishonest that either he won a lawsuit on the basis of "recovering" her with therapy while knowing she did not want to live "this way"; or he is lying about her expressing this wish. One or the other, I find him disingenious at least with the jury that gave him the award, or with the comment he attributes to Terri.


So while I sit here conflicted, I am aghast that some posters on here are delighting on this serving justice to the Repukes or the Right to Lifers. I am Pro-Choice, rational, "true" feminist who has problems with this case. I guess I am just amazed that so many of you taut 'well the courts said"....... after watching what transpired when the courts SUPPOSEDLY installed a fake president. Are the courts only right when they follow your agenda or desires?

And seriously.....a few of you, not all, GLOATING over political gain when a woman is dying and her parents feel they are truly fighting for her life. If that was my daughter, I would call in Hitler/Saddam/Osama if I felt it would keep her alive and I believed she was in there. Cut them a break.

Anyways, sorry for the rant....

add politics and punditry and all human compassion is out the window. Death and suffering doesn't even seem real when its presented this way, and the "concern" from the public is grossly insincere.

If you want to get any lessons from this story, it's - get a living will, fer chrissakes. People aren't very good at determining the true intentions of a person who is brain dead - it's pretty darn subjective.

predictable.

there's a whole lot more to the story then what you posted, though a good rendition of the M$MW programming.

welcome to DU :toast:

peace

Not sure what you mean there.

"I do not believe him" comes from the fact he is lying on one of two accounts. He either lied to the jury, by pretending his wife could be rehabilitated, when in fact he knew she would like to die. Or he lied about her saying she would not want to live this way.

I personally think its the latter based on when he remembered her saying this, years after the fact. But that is an opinion of mine. I still understand that she is not there, and many would not want to live this way, and would probably be better off dead. But again, my opinion only.

Thanks for the welcome.

a pulse and respiration.

Ms. Schiavo has no cerebral cortex. Please, please, please look that up in a high-school-level anatomy and physiology text. Every thought you ever had, every dream you ever dreamt, every move you ever made or wished to make, every prayer you ever prayed or wished to pray--ALL begin their interaction with our physical world right there in that bundle of billions of nerve cells that Ms. Schiavo HAS NO LONGER. Once dead, neurons in the central nervous system do not regenerate. Not now, and not for the future as long as we can foresee.

Terri died years ago. Only an organic shell remains. Why can't you let her, finally, go to where we ALL must go in time? What holds you back? What scares you?

I understand what that entails. I do not mind letting her go. It's her mother and father that find comfort in having a Terri that is no longer Terri there. They say she is.
If Terri is no longer aware of this and has already died, my hypothesis is what is the harm in letting the shell stay if it comforts them. They are here.

Although what was the REAL Terri is now gone. I don't relish or even enjoy her dying and I don't believe anyone else does either.

I've worked with patients like these and even though what makes them whole is gone, to treat their bodies with as much respect and care as if they were whole is always a priority. We always saw it as how we or our loved ones should be treated.

There is a huge difference between the 2000 elections being decided in court and this one. The elections of 2000 was purely political and it's my belief the judges acted based on their personal political beliefs.

This case is different because by all rights no politics are really involved. They are strictly about Terri Schiavo and the other you mentioned was not the case at all.

No one in their right mind will gloat or be happy at this tragedy. We are outraged at Terri Schiavo being used as a political pawn in order to excite their base. That's what their memo said.

In my mind, these so-called politicians deserve every bit of the backlash they get for using this poor woman, her tragedy and disparaging her husband in public when they didn't know a goddamn thing about this case. These assholes shit on our constitution as far as I'm concerned. I do gloat over that and I can't be more pleased to watch them fucking implode. No one, no dem and no repub, should ever do something so reprehensible and it's gratifying to see these people pay a political price for their disgraceful behavior.

I am sad for Terri Schiavo because no family should have to suffer in this way and many across the country do. I've seen it and it's happened in my own family. Many of us have stories. Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die in peace and not be some stepping stone for a political hateful agenda.

It makes more sense that way.
So I am to assume from now on if they courts rule in a particular way all the way up to state or supreme courts, we as a country should respect that and be happy with their decisions. If we all agree, I am OK with that, and you have pulled me totally over to your side of the argument.

This is a critical moment in our history....or would have been if the U.S. S.Ct. had decided to hear the case. It would have been the end of our justice system. No court ruling would have been final. No court ruling would have been safe from legislators in all the states, and in the federal government.

We might possibly have ended up with only one branch of government controlling everything. I shudder to think. I shudder to think.

especially now that the polls show a huge majority is against these dirty rotten scoundrels.

the precedents this criminal administration has been setting since their coups have been broad and extreme specially since 911.

our leaders need to start standing up for our rights or it's definitely game-over

good point :toast:

peace

They are so anti abortion, even if the fetus is challenged, they want it to be born so the parents can care for the kid. child, person for the duration which could last 80 years....so much for quality of life.....

I am beginning to think these Pubs luv misery...they find excuses to make everyone miserable...are they that generous with pain and misery.... that they wish to share... what are them Pubs anyways? Masochistics....?

Sadists, definitely.

the Taliban?

that we have seen that the religiously insane and the neo/theocons demonstrate exactly what they have in mind.

They will stop at nothing, even if it isn't politically expedient.

There is more of a freak show in DC than in Pinellas, Fla.