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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:10 PM
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For Germans only: 1933 vs. 2005 Bush and minions ?
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 08:29 PM by steve2470
On DU you read dozens of comparisons between Nazi Germany and the current American political era. Do any of you Germans see this, or do your parents or grandparents see this also ? Just curious and thanks for your time.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:12 PM
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1. 80+ year-old Germans, that is
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:15 PM
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2. Hard to find to many of those
stomach cancer killed most of them years ago.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:15 PM
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3. Stomach cancer?
Pray tell.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:22 PM
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6. I lived in Germany for twenty years
lost count of the people I knew and friends that died from it. For example, six years I lived in a little town named Henschtal. I lived on a dead end road named Qurinbachweg. There is a total of six houses on the road. Four of the houses had one member that died of stomach cancer.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:29 PM
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8. Never knew that!
That's really interesting... Did anybody speculate on the cause?
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:51 PM
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11. No speculations
If it was my guess I would say diet except for one German cop I knew that always layed his radar gun on his lap while he was driving. His last name was Brinke. He was such a brave soul. He told me a few weeks before he died "you guys better start buying flowers, the time is near"
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:17 PM
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4. Why would a discussion of the simalarities be consdered "German Bashing"?
The simalarities are frightening...you don't think so? Germans wouldn't be upset by comparisons...if anything, they are more upset that most Americans don't know their history and learn from the mistakes Germans made in the 1930's in letting the Nazis get too much power until it was too late.

The warning signs are all here and the fact that the GOP seems to get so threatened by the comparisons is not surprising...

And yes, to answer your question - my family sees the similarities...
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:28 PM
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7. I just didn't want our good German DU'ers feeling they were being picked
on. Nazism was 60 years ago and I know Germany is a great country now.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:13 PM
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16. Also, like in Germany, other nations who could have stopped
Hitler in his tracks helped him out instead, like British PM Neville Chamberlain. Present day British PM, Tony Blair, seems to be doing the same thing. :shrug:

Also, today on the news there was an item about an American soldier asking Canada for asylum and being refused. It was described as a conciliatory gesture from Ottawa to the Bush administration. If Canada doesn't open it's borders to Americans objecting to serve in Iraq, then they will be part of the problem.

It was the same in Europe, when they did nothing after Hitler started invading other countries, Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland. When they suddenly found the Nazis in their cities taking over then they said oops...we didn't see that coming.
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kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:20 PM
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5. My husband's family is German, living mostly in Canada but there is
a faction in the U.S. Interestingly, the Canadian Germans see the parallel while the American ones claim they do not. These are a family of nine siblings with eight still living, ranging in age from 75 to late 80's. I have no doubt that the media has much to do with the difference in perception.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:39 PM
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9. My dad thought that reuniting East and West Germany was a bad idea.
He's 100% German and thinks that facist tendencies lie in all of us.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:43 PM
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10. You don't have to be 80 to remember that period
if you were there. My husband lived through it -- in Austria -- and, based on his comments about the time, here are some chilling similarities. The constant barrage of propaganda (at that time on the radio), the bedeviling of those that disagree with Republicans, the intolerance of even slightly differing opinions within the right wing movement, the use of ridicule, excluding dissenters from "public" meetings, requiring the signing of pledges, demanding thoughtless respect for the leader ("don't laugh while der Fuehrer is speaking"), the "us and them" mentality, the feelings of superiority, Bush's proclivity for dressing up in military garb, the pageantry, the emphasis on military action, military power, excessive spending on military build-up, the emphasis on the superiority of one's own nation, glorification of the leader, corporate complicity, fanaticism of the followers of Bush, victim complexes in the followers of Bush, distrust of other nations, glorification of the imperial role of the country, encouraging public myths about the roles of women -- best for women to tend to the children, kitchen and church, disregard for human rights of prisoners, hiding prisoners, taking people into custody and not informing their families of their whereabouts, censorship of all kinds, hypocritical piety, on and on.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:55 PM
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12. I don't think you'll find much unless you talk to
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 08:55 PM by cynatnite
Jews who lived under that regime.

My grandmother was born in Czechoslavakia and lived in Austria and Germany most of her adult life. There's a strange history there, but it's one thing she will never discuss. Very few will, to be honest. That is because of the Holocaust.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 08:56 PM
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13. Flash Animation: "bush* is NOT a nazi, so stop saying that"....scary
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:19 PM
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17. it is scary indeed nt
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vpigrad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:02 PM
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14. Is this a rhetorical question?

I would have thought this would have been obvious to anyone here. Bush hates us. Never forget that.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-24-05 09:04 PM
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15. No, it's a serious question.
No matter what, I'm voting for the Dem. in 2008 and I've never knowingly voted for a Repuke. However, I just wanted my gut feelings to be confirmed or denied by the facts.
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