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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:30 PM
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Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 12:49 PM by steve2470
$ is irrelevant if one wishes to live.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:34 PM
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1. Not to mention the millions it took to fly Idiot Boy and Congress
back to DC for a couple hours just to vote on the ridiculous legislation.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:35 PM
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2. 80,000 $ per year, not per month.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:37 PM
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3. It should NEVER be about the money or the ability to pay....
it should be about one's choice on the matter. I never want to see a time where euthanasia is considered an option because of money (Texas is already going down that slippery slope).
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:38 PM
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4. well said n/t
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:40 PM
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5. blech. I don't think money should be part of the equation
making the decision about keeping someone alive or not based on how much it costs is terrible. I know that's the way health care works in this country, but it is still terrible.

all that should factor into the decision is whether or not she is in a persistent vegetative state and being kept alive artifically and what she would want.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:41 PM
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6. Completely heartless question and approach
The issue is NOT the cost of her care, but honoring HER wishes. If it costs $80,000 a month to keep a disabled person who WISHES to stay alive, we should look at hw we can keep them alive and make that cost more bearable or less expensive.

The fact that medical care runs ANYONE 80,000 a month when it actually DOES NOT cost anywhere NEAR that much on the supply end to provide it is what we should be looking at.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:44 PM
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8. My post assumed all of your points to be true.
My point is, Terri should be allowed to go the way of nature. Anything else beyond that is a waste.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:50 PM
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10. Your main point is flawed
If we let everyone go the way of nature, there would be no treatment for AIDS patients and even less services for the disabled.

You would not be treated for terminal illness that MAY be treatable.

The issue is NOT going the way of nature but allowing a person's intentions to be fulfilled when nature interrupts their life.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:52 PM
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11. "the way of nature" in this case is what she wanted
Please don't extrapolate from the specific quote.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:56 PM
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13. Please make your points more carefully. Obviously others saw
you making the same point I observed.
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:58 PM
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14. excellent point
"The fact that medical care runs ANYONE 80,000 a month when it actually DOES NOT cost anywhere NEAR that much on the supply end to provide it is what we should be looking at."

(although I believe it is $80K/year, not month)
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:41 PM
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7. This really isn't about money, although I get your point. God has been
calling Terri home for 15 years and her "family" has kept her from Him! Terri's parents have USED religion to explain why they have "no faith" that Terri is being called home. Terri's soul is being tortured into "limbo" by her own flesh and blood and that is a sin of the highest magnitude IMO!
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:47 PM
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9. The Red Lake Chippewa families could sure use some of that help right now.
And if they'd had some funding assistance on a par with that to help with counseling etc. for the reservation kids, the tragedy might never have happened. Of course extrapolate from there - think how much good could be done if the money spent on the Schiavo circus could be distributed amongst needy kids, veterans, our most in need... the same people whose assistance is being CUT right now... What a shitload of topsy-turvy values in this macabre fiasco.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:55 PM
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12. You should not delete your op every time you face disagreement
That is not the way to debate a point
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 12:59 PM
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15. the original point was flawed
thus, I deleted it. If I was sticking to my guns, I'd let it stay there. I'm not afraid of admitting that I make faulty posts at times. I wish more here at DU could say that as well.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:12 PM
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16. then simply admit that you changed your position and send
a note to the mods to lock it and let them decide. I find it intellectually dishonest to delete a post when you are rebutted.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:18 PM
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17. I'll let you have the last word
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 01:18 PM by steve2470
point noted, not agreed with.
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 01:19 PM
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18. i agree with nsmam
...although not necc for them to lock it.

The money factor is brought up quite often. Considering what others have to say and changing your position is actually quite noble.

Nothing to be ashamed of.

After all, this IS a discussion board.
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