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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:03 PM
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Nader: Save Schiavo at any cost
WASHINGTON, March 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Consumer Advocate Ralph Nader and Wesley J. Smith, author of the award winning book "Culture of Death: The Assault on Medical Ethics in America" call upon the Florida Courts, Governor Jeb Bush and concerned citizens to take any legal action available to let Terri Schiavo live.

"A profound injustice is being inflicted on Terri Schiavo," Nader and Smith asserted today. "Worse, this slow death by dehydration is being imposed upon her under the color of law, in proceedings in which every benefit of the doubt-and there are many doubts in this case-has been given to her death, rather than her continued life."

Among the many injustices in this case, Nader and Smith point to the following:

The courts not only are refusing her tube feeding, but have ordered that no attempts be made to provide her water or food by mouth. Terri swallows her own saliva. Spoon feeding is not medical treatment. "This outrageous order proves that the courts are not merely permitting medical treatment to be withheld, it has ordered her to be made dead," Nader and Smith assert.


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http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=44858
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:04 PM
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1. Nader: Shut Up At Any Cost
Seriously, someone tell numbnuts that when we want his opinion, we'll ask for it. Jackass........
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:05 PM
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2. Ralph, I say this with all sincerity:
Go fark yourself!
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:05 PM
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3. Shut the fuck up Ralph!
Get the fuck out of my life!!!!!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:05 PM
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4. I thought this asshole was a progressive??
I guess he's just a flat-out lunatic.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 PM
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5. Hoo boy. Pass the popcorn! nt
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:06 PM
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6. Ralph's ego has outflanked his brain.
As usual.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:07 PM
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7. Geeez...
Nader... go buy a brain...MORAN!
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:07 PM
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8. OK, any questions now about where this guy stands?
:eyes:
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:07 PM
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9. Right Wing Democrats Against Nader!!
You Nader-haters are ridiculous. What did he ever do except speak the truth? Does that challenge your deeply set views and liberal agenda? You all are starting to sound like the mirror image of republicans.

And don't bring up 2000. Bush cheated, and he would have cheated if Nader had not run.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:09 PM
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10. Nader does what's good for Nader
He's no more noble than that. At one time he was, but that time has long since passed.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:12 PM
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14. Thats crap, and you should know it.
I don't agree with everything the guy says, but I don't dispute his sincerity. He is a straight shooter, and he says what he believes. He has a long history of fighting for progressives. I think you poor sods have bought the puke argument that we are better when we distance ourselves from Nader, but like everything else they say, they are dead wrong.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:11 PM
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12. Nader has done more to undo the good he accomplished than any
other person I can think of.

He's an irrelevant asshole now, regardkless of what he used to be when I admired him.

STFU, Ralph. Nobody cares.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:58 PM
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22. Exactly, thank you!
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:17 PM
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16. The guy invests in Raytheon, Halliburton, Boeing, General Dynamics
Fleeces dumb idealist college kids who oppose the war while he profits on every cruise missile and bomb dropped. Lambasted Gore for holding Occidental Oil stock while he held the same himself. A judas goat and a shameless hypocrite--Ralph Nader. What good works he did in the past have been so soiled now that his reputation will never recover. At least he has become so enduringly irrelevant that most clever leftists are looking far away from him when they seek good strategic leaders to advance progressive and socialist values.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:58 PM
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23. Exactly, thank you!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:02 AM
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33. Ralph, is that you?
RL
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:30 AM
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35. Castigating Democrats?
Hmm. Who sounds like they're sounding like a republican?

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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:36 AM
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38. What the hell??
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:36 AM
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39. Speak the TRUTH? Besides his lies about Terri Schiavo
the whole "no difference between Gore and Bush" was a big fat fucking lie.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:11 PM
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11. swallowing food/water is a conscious/intentional response. So..why is he
jumping on the bandwagon now? :shrug:
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Guckert Donating Member (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:12 PM
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13. Why cant the GOP pResident, Governor, State Leg, Fed Leg, Courts all the
way to the Supreme save Terri ?????????? what is wrong with these people????? they have ALL the power and refuse to save her from a horrific death of starvation.....

Keep up the good work, thanks Ralph. the GOP is sinking on this issue and the more people like you point out that Jeb and "W" are the only ones who can save her after the GOP judge Greer failed. the GOP controlled State Legislature failed. the GOP controlled Federal legislature failed. . the GOP controlled 11th circuit court FAILED. The GOP Governor of FL FAILED. The Republican pResident FAILED.

I love it....:nuke:
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:13 PM
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15. Once
again it's 24/7 Terrivision yet another would be hero that simply does not bother to understand the facts of the case.

It ordered to respect HER wishes as best as they could be determined. Unless Ralph can channel I suggest he shut up. Oh and she can not swallow and the result of giving Terri a glass up water would almost certainly be drowning. It's only been stated about million times. Please someone let Ralph give Terri a glass of water so he can spend the rest of his living in Hell in a Florida jail. The same hell he left me by having GWB win Florida in 2000.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:04 PM
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26. "24/7 Terrivision"
:thumbsup:

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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:19 PM
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17. It's clear to me now that Nader will not stop until everyone hates him.
He's like Michael Jackson.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:44 PM
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21. LOL - sad but true.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:37 PM
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31. hahahahahaha!
:thumbsup:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:20 PM
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18. Oh, piss off, Ralph
End of rant.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:25 PM
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19. Sorry, Ralph. I disagree here. In Terri's case, it doesn't seem like
there is anyone left to save. :(
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lindsayg Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:28 PM
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20. Just mentioned this on CNN
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:02 PM
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24. that's stupid.
Further into irrelevancy. Too bad, really.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:04 PM
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25. It's nice to see Ralph stand up for his fellow brain-deads. n/t
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:05 PM
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27. You know.....
when everyone else was ont he nader bandwagon, i always felt uncormfortable with him because his platform was so invasive and nanny-statish to me.


Now i see gut instinct was right.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:05 PM
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28. It is a medical fact that spooning her water would kill her.
Nader is full of BS here.
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dijaj Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:35 PM
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30. Yey Ralph. Jeb Bush has divided and conquered you "progressives"d
And any of you who make this a political issue have more to do with Jeb Bush and Ralph Limbaugh than anyone who asks questions rather than choosing a side first. Consider that the man has been suspected of strangling his wife and refusing her immediate treatment so she wouldn't rat on him. Maybe we should starve HIM to death. For Chrissakes, you all talk about the law stepping into people's lives--well, they had a direct impact on her teeth being allowed to rot out after he refused to let the docs clean them and then proceeded to hoard and spend away her medical fund. Just another case of a thug of an ignorant man destroying every morsel of a woman--and we want to label this as progressive? Yes, it pisses me off that this is political at all, and we who call ourselves progressives on other issues shouldn't react by accepting the challenge of another round of us-and-them football. They have framed the issue and labeled it with all the familiar approaches to issues that incite us to hate them. In fact, I think Tom Delay got the reaction he wanted. Divide and conquer. Divide and conquer...
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:46 PM
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32. This whole insane circus is just beyond the pale n/t
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:27 AM
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34. Yeehaww! More anti-Nader screaming. Hey, many dems agree w/ him.
Sheesh, this isn't exactly a question where there is an obvious right and wrong, and dems ought to show themselves mature and rational enough to treat the subject seriously, instead of just leaping to whatever the anti-repuke position is.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:34 AM
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36. Well, according to Ralph there is an "obvious right and wrong."
And if you think the majority of feelings on this are people just "leaping to whatever the anti-repuke position is," well, you underestimate the ability of liberals to hold independent thoughts.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:35 AM
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37. Nader: Unsafe At Any Speed
...or any goofy thing that pops into his head.

He's nutty.

Years ago, he was progressive.

Not now.

Retire, please, Ralph. Leave us alone.

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