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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:28 PM
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Oh the Irony: Good Friday is a Celebration of Death
The same Christian fundamentalists who are fighting to force Terri Schiavo to live as a vegetable, are celebrating Good Friday?


And what was Good about this Friday?


Why, it was the day that Jesus DIED on the cross.


Fighting for the "Culture of Life" on a day that celebrates death.

:crazy:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:32 PM
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1. Good Friday is about suffering-not necessarily death (Jesus just
happened to die)
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:34 PM
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3. Nope, Good Friday is about Jesus dying for their sins
Without which, there would be no Easter, the celebration of his rising from the grave.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:33 PM
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2. Good Friday does not "celebrate" death.
It's the time when we reflect on the suffering of Christ on the cross and the significance of that suffering.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:35 PM
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4. The Only Reason We Christians Celebrate His Death Is
Because He Was Resurrected On Sunday...

Without the crucifixion there is no resurrection and without the resurrection there is no salvation and without salvation there is no eternal life...
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:39 PM
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5. I don't mean to sound rude
but wasn't his death just an inconvenience? My niece was telling me, "Well, Jesus died, but not really." I have a hard time with that one.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:50 PM
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10. He Had A Physical Death...
eom
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:45 PM
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6. ...and "without salvation there is no eternal life"
salvation (being "saved") by Jesus is how the religious bigots claim they are chosen and everyone else is doomed ("misguided" when they're being polite) to eternal damnation-- and how they justify their Right-eousness and hypocritical actions.

I'm just sayin.

It's hard for me to fathom how Fundamentalists could possibly attribute to Christ the bigotry and divisiveness necessary to think anyone not in their cult is damned. Christ who was Love and Light incarnate. And said so. "I am the Light of the World." He didn't say "I am the Light of a certain club that excludes those who don't worship as they do."

Everybody love everybody on Good Friday!
:pals:
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:49 PM
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9. I Won't Be At The Gate Saying Who Gets In And Who Doesn't..
Peace

Brian
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:00 PM
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11. I chatted with some guys at the next table at lunch
who turned out to be Born Againer's. First clue was they prayed over their tempura. We had a great discussion about spirit and life and helping people and relationships until they told me that unless you're saved through Christ, NO ONE will reach God.

I said, "The Buhddists might not agree with you." ;)

I told them my god includes their god and all the other names for god. One said, "When I get up to the gates of Heaven and I see you there..."

"you won't wonder how I got there."

My heaven will have a moon gate.

Brian, have a wonderful Easter. We can reflect that Light in dark times. (Full moon, too!)
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:46 PM
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7. Plus, he was probably crucified on Wednesday or Thursday.
Kind of off topic, but even my five year old understands that Friday to Sunday isn't three days.

And we're Christians, and understand it's a symbolic blah blah blah... it irks me all the same.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:38 PM
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22. Friday to Sunday isn't three days, but Sunday is "the third day".
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evil_orange_cat Donating Member (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 04:47 PM
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8. who cares? it's a fairy tale
let them believe and celebrate whatever they want, I don't care... I just start to care when they try to impose their beliefs on others.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:04 PM
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12. Bullshit
I'm sorry. Good Friday and Easter in general celebrate sacrifice and selflessness.

If you're going to flame Christianity, have a basic understanding of it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:18 PM
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19. Well, that's one interpretation of Christianity
But it certainly doesn't encompass the entirety of Christian thought, belief and practice.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:26 PM
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20. Seems to be a pretty popular one
What with "The Passion" grossing almost $400 million.

And with it being a film about Good Friday, any message of sacrifice and selflessness, got drowned in a pool of Jesus's blood and gore.


Now call me crazy, but I'd venture a guess that most of the Schiavo protestors probably enjoyed "The Passion's" take on things.

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:36 PM
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21. I don't doubt it for a second
But there are millions and millions of Christians for whom the central dogma of their faith is decidedly not Christ being tortured to death for our sins.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:08 PM
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16. Thank you, Will!
:thumbsup:
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 05:14 PM
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13. I always did find the "Good" in Good Friday ironic
Though I'm sure I didn't use the word ironic as a child. But it bothered me that they called it good. Shouldn't it be bad or sad or hard Friday?

Supposedly we don't celebrate death, it's about the resurrection. But that was another thing that bothered me as a little Catholic kid...everywhere the image of the crucifix, Jesus on the cross. His death wasn't the point. (Everyone dies, many innocents die long and painful deaths and 3 hours would be a remarkably fast death through crucifixion).
The point is the resurrection. (Same reason I hated Gibson's movie (which I didn't see). If you believe in him and that he performed all these miracles and healings and said wonderful things and that he rose from the dead...why the h*ll do we focus on his worst hours? That is what he'd want us to remember? The agony and not the love or the joy? (Nuns really hated me)

I left the church before junior high, hated the teachings that rang false. But as a young adult I found some information about an old Christian ritual of celebrating "White Monday". It was a celebration of life the day after Easter and the image was the laughing Jesus. Now that makes sense!

Frankly if he "died for our sins" then we ought to honor him by doing what he asked. To love one another as he loved us, to not judge, to get the big splinter from our own eyes before we dig the speck from our brothers...and maybe not act like the frigging Pharisees that took advantage of the poor and suffering for greed and on and on.

Jesus, whether man or myth, was cool. We'd love him. It is a shame so many that proclaim him as their savior do the opposite of everything he preached.

End of the Sad Friday sermon.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:06 PM
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15. Republaspeak always says the opposite of what it means
Right?
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glaeken777 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:10 PM
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17. that's not the real irony...
Jesus conquered death and rose bodily straight into Heaven. The Christian faith is about God as a human conquering death... to prove to every human that death has no dominion, and that we're the masters of determining what happens to us both here and in the next world.

So... why the heck are these so-called Christians railing for the opposite values? The Savior accepted his suffering and death. He embraced his cross and was rewarded for giving up what his followers wished... for him to remain behind.

The tunnelvision these people possess is absolutely STUNNING.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:15 PM
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18. Waiting for Jeb! to come out and wash his hands of the Schiavo affair
The symbolism would surely be lost on the demonstrators.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 06:54 PM
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23. I wouldn't call it a 'celebration'
Back in the day, when I was still nominally a Catholic, we called it 'observing Good Friday'. It's a solemn day, and nothing about it is celebratory.

Easter's the day Catholics celebrate.

Of course, I don't "do" Catholicism or any religion anymore. :)

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