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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:51 PM
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All hell is gonna break loose
when the fundies realize that being conservative ruined their chances of getting into heaven.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:54 PM
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1. Just had a mental image...
... of camera crews, lights, Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Really badgering St. Peter, calling him a traitor and demanding interviews with God to straighten out the obvious inequity in admissions to heaven.... :)
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:57 PM
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2. SNL
would be wise to follow du.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:57 PM
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3. They wont call Peter a traitor
They'll call him a Liberal. You know, the so-called Liberal heaven.

All I know, if Hannity and Rush get into heaven I want to go someplace else.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:03 PM
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6. LOL! 'Someplace else!' Me, too! nt
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 07:59 PM
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4. Meanwhile, a heavenly formation of ex-DU angels flies overhead...
... spelling out "PWNED!" across the cosmos.


:)
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:00 PM
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5. Mine was of Fundies praying at the pearly gates and claiming God was
wrong while wailing that Bush was the real God! He told us so!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:14 PM
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7. According to "South Park," Heaven is filled with Mormons playing charades
Hell looks like a lot more fun.

Thankfully, as a Buddhist, I don't believe in a Heaven, but you don't even want to know how terrible the different levels of Hell can be (as taught in Buddhism).

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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 08:48 PM
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8. Buddhists believe in hell, but not heaven?
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 08:49 PM by Tactical Progressive
Please explain.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:30 PM
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9. It took me 2-3 years of study to fully understand it, so I'll try, but...
...I'm no Dalai Lama.

In Buddhism, you must strive to do good deeds in order to accumulate "Good" Karma, to counteract all the "Bad" Karma that we ALL have accumulated over the course of Hundreds of thousands of life times. And, the more "Bad" Karma you have, the lower the Life form you take.

The Human form is the highest physical form, and it takes thousands of lifetimes as lower forms (dogs, cats, rabbits, bugs, snails, worms, etc.)for your Consciousness (other religions call it Soul, Spirit, "life force")to reach the Human form. The lower you go, the more you suffer (non domestic animals are always looking for food and shelter), but, the more you suffer, the more "Bad Karma" you rid yourself of.

SO, eventually, when you reach the Human form, if you are lucky, you will be born Poor (I know this sounds wack, but hold on). If you are born poor, you are less likely to screw up, by being mean, and doing selfish things, that accumulate a LOT more "Bad" Karma that will send you back down to an animal form, or even worse, send you down to be a "Hungry Ghost" or to the level of Hell.

Here: this article explains it better than I can. If you have a few minutes, read the first six paragraphs.

Ever wonder it Buddhist had a "10 Commandments?" Well we call them the "10 the non-virtuous actions" that must be avoided. They are: killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, slander, harsh speech, idle gossip, covetousness, harmful intent and (holding)wrong view(s).

..."The backbone of Buddhism is the theory of karma and rebirth, the law of cause and effect. Buddhists believe not in a creator, but in beings fashioning their destiny by their own actions. In the course of their lifetime, living creatures perform virtuous or non-virtuous actions (karma) which create predispositions for rebirth in any of the six realms of cyclic existence. Virtuous actions bring about pleasant rebirths in the upper realms of gods, demi-gods and men and non-virtuous deeds, suffering and rebirth in the animal, hungry ghost and hell-beings' realms. When beings have exhausted the karma which caused their rebirth in a particular realm, in dependence on other accumulated karma, they take rebirth in another realm, wandering endlessly within the limits of cyclic existence until they find a way out to liberation or the state of Buddhahood- the ultimate goal of Buddhist practice.

Among all the creatures of the six realms, humans are the most fortunate, and have the best opportunity for attaining the ultimate achievement. Gods and demi-gods dwell in immeasurable happiness, exhausting the fruits of their positive karma, and are too distracted with worldly pleasure to seek liberation from cyclic existence. Hungry ghosts and hell beings are too disturbed with suffering and animals are too dumb. Humans, who enjoy both pleasure and pain are the only ones who can seek liberation.

The driving force of this aim for the attainment of Buddhahood is motivation, of which there are three types; motivation of beings of small, middling and great capacities. Though the ultimate goal of all three is happiness and freedom from suffering, the extent of their goals is immeasurably different. The being of smaller capacity's virtuous acts are aimed at securing a rebirth away from the hells, and his basic rule of conduct for achieving this is avoiding the non-virtuous actions which bring about lower rebirths. These are: killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, slander, harsh speech, idle gossip, covetousness, harmful intent and wrong view.

The being of middling capacity seeks to go one step further and achieve liberation from cyclic existence by realizing the Four Noble Truths: true sufferings, which are like an illness, sources, the internal and external conditions that bring about that illness, cessations, the state of being curedo the illness and paths, the medicine which brings about the cure. In order to realize these Four Noble Truths, one must realize

1) the suffering of cyclic existence, like a sick person identifying his ailment,

2) that the origin of suffering is karma and defilements, like a patient identifying the cause of his illness,

3) the existence of a remedy to suffering, like a patient knowing that his illness can be cured,

4) that engaging in the paths will bring about freedom from suffering, like a patient realizing the benefit of medicine..."


(more at link)

<http://www.tibet.com/Eco/eco8.html>



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