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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:47 PM
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I want to make an issue out of the fact that the number of soldiers killed
in Iraq is not being truthfully told to the people. The wounded who are returned to the states and who later die of their wounds are not being reported in the 1524 number. It's time for the media to do its job and report on Iraq and the toll it is really taking on average American families and what the costs are doing to us as a nation, namely robbing ooour most needy and helpless citizens of social services and medical care.

Does anyone have nay numbers of US soldiers wounded in Iraq who have died from their wounds?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:50 PM
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1. I don't have the numbers but thank you, thank you very much for also
saying that the casualty figures are worthless. I don't damn well believe for a minute that we've lost 1525 or so Americans in the hell that is called Iraq. Especially lately, all the ruckus going on and we're only losing a soldier every day or two? It is not that I revel in the death of American soldiers and marines. It's that I detest being lied to by my government. But I guess that's the point. It's not MY government anymore.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:52 PM
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2. And Bush disrespects our fallen soldiers by being AWOL at funerals
Edited on Fri Mar-25-05 10:53 PM by SpiralHawk
He hasn't yet gone to one funeral to honor any of our service men and women who have fallen in battle.

I think its because Bush is ashamed of the lies about WMD and all the rest that he told to start the war. He cannot face the suffering his lies have cost the nation.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 10:57 PM
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3. Screw Bush, it's not about him facing the suffering, it's about the truth
not being told to the American people. It's about the worthless media that is owned and controlled by the RW neocon-PNACERS and their agenda. It's about elected officials pandering and taking campaign money to further keep Americans in the dark.
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:47 PM
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11. That has bothered me from the start.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:01 PM
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4. here's a good place to start...
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:04 PM
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5. The Wounded Who Never Die
The Wounded Who Never Die
by Harley Sorensen

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1103-06.htm
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:09 PM
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6. I'll stop after this...
more recent article.

Published on Tuesday, January 4, 2005 by the Associated Press
More Than 10,000 U.S. Troops Wounded in Iraq


WASHINGTON - The number of U.S. troops wounded in Iraq since the start of the war in March 2003 has surpassed 10,000, the Pentagon said Tuesday in a delayed update of its casualty data.

Of the 10,252 total wounded, the Pentagon said 5,396 were unable to return to duty and 4,856 sustained injuries that were light enough to allow them to resume their duties. The total is normally reported each week, but the Pentagon had not updated the figures since Dec. 22, when the number of wounded stood at 9,981.

entire article here:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0104-12.htm
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:11 PM
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7. It's around 10% of the wounded. However, that figure is a lie too.
Number of soldiers wounded is somewhere around 33,000 for both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Another thing about number of soldiers killed - rumor has it that non-US citizen soldiers are not being counted at all. They are being either buried in mass graves or put in body bags and dumped in the rivers.

Best guess for number of soldiers who have died since the invasion started is between 4,000 to 8,000.

Some of these figure were on TBRnews.org.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-25-05 11:21 PM
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8. I do apologize, but...
I just keep finding more and more.

You GOTTA read this.

http://iraq2005.blogspot.com/2005/01/casualty-figures_20.html
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:16 AM
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9. you also don't see much coverage of the gravity of the wounds . . .
and the implications of huge cuts in the VA budget proposed by Bush . . . who's going to care for these servicemen and women? . . . a lot of them will need constant care for the rest of their lives . . .
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:29 AM
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10. Here's some people working on the actual numbers.
"U.S. Military Personnel who died in German hospitals or en route to German hospitals have not previously been counted. They total about 6,210 as of 1 January, 2005.

by Brian Harring, Domestic Intelligence Reporter

Note: There is excellent reason to believe that the Department of Defense is deliberately not reporting a significant number of the dead in Iraq. We have received copies of manifests from the MATS that show far more bodies shipped into Dover AFP than are reported officially. The educated rumor is that the actual death toll is in excess of 7,000. Given the officially acknowledged number of over 15,000 seriously wounded, this elevated death toll is far more realistic than the current 1,400+ now being officially published. When our research is complete, and watertight, we will publish the results along with the sources In addition to the evident falsification of the death rolls, at least 5,500 American military personnel have deserted, most in Ireland but more have escaped to Canada and other European countries, none of whom are inclined to cooperate with vengeful American authorities. (See TBR News of 18 February for full coverage on the mass desertions) This means that of the 158,000 U.S. military shipped to Iraq, 26,000 either deserted, were killed or seriously wounded. Ed "


http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1473.htm
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