Has the Schaivo incident effectively buried this bombshell????

Not sure how many of you have read this interview with Naomi Klein and Guiliana Sgrena. BUT Guiliana talks about the distortion put out by the Pentagon about the road they traveled down that fateful night that the Italians were attacked. She says that the road in question is NOT the road the pentagon talks about...but in fact a SECURED road WITHIN THE GREEN ZONE. She also states that they were fired on from BEHIND which explains how the driver was not injured but the passengers in the back were injured and killed.

Everything we hear these days is about Terri Schaivo. Have the GOP used this tragic circumstance to effectively deflect any criticism of what happened to the italians?


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/25/1516242

snip from article - NAOMI KLEIN: Well, this would support what Giuliana told me, which is that the road she was on was not the public road that other journalists have traveled on, and that contractors and so on travel on, the very dangerous road. It was a secured road reserved for top Embassy officials, like obviously like Negroponte. But one thing that's very clear is that if she is on this road, and the way she explains it, she had to go through a U.S. checkpoint in order to get into the Green Zone. You can only access this road through the Green Zone. It's very, very difficult to get into the Green Zone. When I tried to get into the Green Zone, I had to go through six checkpoints -- six different passport checks. So, the idea that the American military didn't know that they were on the road, that they -- that didn't know about their presence is impossible, if she was, in fact, on a road that emerged out of the Green Zone. And I think that the idea that there was a mobile checkpoint set up for Negroponte obviously supports this claim very strongly. What Giuliana was talking about was what she was -- the only thing she could figure out is that the people who they checked in with in the Green Zone, the U.S. soldiers they checked in with in the Green Zone in order to get in, didn't radio ahead to these mobile checkpoints and warn them that they were coming. And from her perspective, that could have either been a mistake, or it could have been some sort of act of vengeance and anger, you know, and we know that there's a lot of anger at the idea that Italians may be paying very large ransoms for the release of prisoners. She's not alleging some grand conspiracy. There could have just been a broken down communication. But the idea that they didn't know, I think, is impossible, if she was on this secured road, because it emerged out of the Green Zone and you cannot get into the grown zone without passing through a checkpoint.

I suspect that Shaivo came to a head "conveniently" near the anniversary of the war, but that would not stop them from dumping many things the so called liberal media SHOULD be focused on but is not.

criminal cabal that is know to the world as the bush** administration. So many dirty and illegal deeds covered by one very sad and crazed story.

Personally I think they were all in on the coverup. bush** & his smarter brother jeb, cheney, most certainly delay. They all worked very hard to throw this story around as much as possible, to make it headline news, this way everything else happening was convenientlty ignored or buried under the stories about the grief of the Schindler family or the fundie rescue parties.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=115454&mesg_id=115454&page=

It all fits, no?

Sadly - it does all fit. When will people wake up? How is it that they cannot see they have been lulled into some weird reality where a brain damaged woman who has not uttered a word, nor had food, nor water pass her lips for over 15 years somehow is more newsworthy than an empire arrogently assassinating its allies, leaving the troops blameless and the media silent?

news. Bush has already exonerated the military people involved, so there is no more to tell. Then to ask the American public to actually put 2 and 2 together and reason out what happened here is just too much. The country is falling apart and they can't even figure things out from their pay checks and the price of gas.

As for the story itself, the road was secure, they had an Italian flag and the soldiers just started shooting? Bush has had military intervention in some of the other hostage takings to make sure there are no negotiations with the insurgency. The world might actually listen to the insurgency if they realized they kept their word - unlike some people we could mention. The fact they can't find the car would make it rather obvious there was something to hide.

Dog and pony show folks. During the little turd's first term I said to a friend, I don't think I have ever seen a time where things seemed so f#&ked up. I think I spoke to soon. It gets crazier by the day.

The mighty wurlitzer is cranked and loaded for the next 4 years, perhaps forever, to drown out everything about this rolling coup.

I think preparations to expand the war in the middle east and the takeover of elections systems in CA are the biggies right now. Perhaps Sgrena, Guckert and Schiavo are all cover for those.

You know, take some minor hits so you can win a bigger pot kind of thing.

Who knows, at this point the water is so muddied we'll probably just have to "watch what they do" in their new ass-made reality, since we apparently don't have players on the field who can give us a lead.

But for all their efforts and all their new realities they still won't win. Just IMO. :)

They wouldn't take kindly to charges that our president tried to murder a woman reporter because she spoke out against his propaganda and told the TRUTH about his war for oil!

I hope she finds a way to expose the fact that her "kidnappers" were bought and paid for by our CIC as well! I wonder why they decided to make it look like her "kidnappers" let her go. someone must have obtained enough information to blackmail her "kidnappers" into releasing her!

admin to hide behind, the Italian papers are full of the story. The vatican's stance and the correlation of the Schiavo situation to the pain and suffering of the Pope duing the Holy Week fill the Italian newspaper and the true news of Giuliana takes a back burner.

:tinfoilhat: Talk about your organized disinformation campaign.


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are hiding everything possible.

One of the serious problems of life in the age of Bush is that we are on outrage overload. As much as many of us who were adults back in the eighties didn't like what Reagan was doing, he never got us to this level.

The colonial occupation of Iraq predicated on lies about national security is an outrage in itself. Both the occupation and the lies ("see how Bush is spreading democracy to the Middle East") are ongoing. The (presumably accidental) shooting of an Italian journalist and killing of an Italian secret service agent is but one aspect of this outrage. As tragic as it is, it is small when compared to the Guerica-like attack on Fallujah, the torture at Abu Ghraib or Bremer's 100 decrees.

That is not to belittle the incident at the Baghdad airport checkpoint a few weeks ago. Putting an outrage like that into that perspective shows how truly evil the Bush regime is. Neoconservatism is a much a scourge of the earth as terrorism.

The question appears to be whether the Schiavo "incident" (the poster's word) is really worthy of our attention. I maintain that it is, although for reasons that go far beyond the life and death of woman in a pre-vegetative state.

The affair in Pinellas Park is yet another outrage on many levels. In this case, the right wing religionists in the White House, Congress and the Republican Party establishment have conspired to impose their narrow views of where human life fits into the cosmic scheme on those of us who don't share them; they have further used federal power to interfere with the state government after not being satisfied with the settled decision in state courts. Ironically, they got nothing better in the federal courts.

In addition, the sheer demagoguery of the right's appeal in the Schiavo case should appall anybody who believes in the rule of law. Having lost in the courts and even in public opinion, the politicians have resorted to appealing to the rabble.

While I am an advocate of democracy, which I define as a system of government based on universal and equal citizenship, I am wise enough to heed the critics of democracy who assert that it opens the dangers of mob rule. Alexander Hamilton, one of America's founding fathers, was no fan of democracy and quite outspoken on this point. Alexis de Tocqueville, a French visitor to America in the 1830s, was more sympathetic to democratic principles but still raised concerns about what he called the tyranny of the majority.

The American experiment in government has been one that attempts to temper popular will with the rule of law. Traditionally, those who favor erring on the side of the rule of law are called conservative, a word much abused in the last thirty years.

The events now transpiring in Pinellas Park lay bare that the Republican Party is based not on conservative principles but a right wing ideology. There is nothing conservative about the appeal of demagogues like the Bush brothers, Tom DeLay and Bill Frist to the mob of cross-bearing vigilantes who have turned the last hours of a dying woman into a political circus.

The mob rule which they are inspiring is not even democracy at its worst. For it to be that, the mob that is attempting to rule should at least represent a majoritarian view, which they do not in this case. With about three out of four Americans believing that further government interference in this matter is wrong and that Mrs. Schiavo should be allowed to die quietly, as most of us believe she would have wished, this can hardly be called the tyranny of the majority.

What we see in Pinellas Park is not democracy, even in its ugly aspects, but an attempt to impose a religious-inspired fascism on America. Those demonstrating in front of the Pinellas Park hospice do not respect the views of others. They feel that they are ethically superior to the rest of us, and that they should have more say in what government policy should be than we who are not so enlightened; in short, they believe that they should have more rights as citizens than those of us who do not share their views Man's relationship to the God. It is theocracy, not democracy, that the rabble in Florida seeks.

That elected (or presumably elected) government officials are encouraging this mob is outrageous and it is an important development in the sordid chronicles of Bush's America. Up to now, Bush and his political allies in Congress have undermined American democratic institutions with secret hearings, abrogated treaties, legislation that infringes on the rights of the accused to be represented by council or even to a trial of any kind, the use of torture (approved by executive order), the stretching and breaking of parliamentary rules, and the employment of voting technology that will make rigging elections easier. In all this, the right wing ideologues, led by Mr. Bush, have been a threat to American democracy.

Now they dare to threaten us with lawlessness.

Please don't suggest that the Schiavo "incident" isn't worth discussing. It is truly remarkable.

I think you covered the subject thoroughly and raised a point many of us probably don't think about. Especially this paragraph...........

What we see in Pinellas Park is not democracy, even in its ugly aspects, but an attempt to impose a religious-inspired fascism on America. Those demonstrating in front of the Pinellas Park hospice do not respect the views of others. They feel that they are ethically superior to the rest of us, and that they should have more say in what government policy should be than we who are not so enlightened; in short, they believe that they should have more rights as citizens than those of us who do not share their views Man's relationship to the God. It is theocracy, not democracy, that the rabble in Florida seeks.


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