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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:32 AM
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Poll question: Jeb's Law Enforcement attempt to seize Terri: Staged or Not-Staged
http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Police-force-Governor-Bush-to-abandon-Schiavo-rescue/2005/03/26/1111692683950.html?oneclick=true

Governor Bush forced to abandon Schiavo rescue
By Carol Marbin Miller and Alec Russell
March 27, 2005
The Sun-Herald

Law agencies controlled by Florida Governor Jeb Bush, the brother of US President George Bush, were on their way to seize Terri Schiavo and have her feeding tube reinserted.

But they backed off when local police said they would enforce a judge's ruling allowing the brain-damaged women to die, The Miami Herald has revealed.

Soon after a judge ordered that Mrs Schiavo not be removed from a hospice, a team of Florida state law enforcement agents planned to rescue her on the orders of Mr Bush, the paper said.

But they did not go ahead after it became clear they would have to confront local police outside the Florida hospice that has become a flashpoint in the worldwide debate on euthanasia.




Personally I think Bush knew all along that any troops he'd send in there to seize Terri Schiavo and try to get that tube back in her would pretty much be stopped outside of the Hospice. But the Fundies are starting to get pissed at the Bushies and their ilks for not trying to use force to get Terri back on the tube. Personally, I think this who "invasion" was a stage to please the Fundies into think that Jeb hasn't given up even though he knows that there are no other options whatsoever. Now the Bushies and the rest of the repukes can go back to the fundies and said "See, we tried but those heathen local police offers blocked our way (like they couldn't have crashed their way through).

So, was this whole manuever staged just to keep the fundies happy or was Jeb really trying to get Terri out of the Hospice and back on the tube

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:36 AM
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1. I don't think anyone in the BFEE does anything on principles. It is all
with an eye to getting votes.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:44 AM
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4. There was a 'window of opportunity" for Jeb to get Terri before the order
came down from Judge Greer. A few hours as I recall before Micheal's lawyers recognized this loophole (and subsequently had Judge Greer issue a restraining order under he could renden a ruling).

So, what I am saying that Jeb did have jursidiction at that time. Jeb was acting with Dept of Family Services.
Some say Jeb missed the boat in that few hours.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:46 AM
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6. what I am saying is that it was real on Jeb's part (he was just slow and
the transfer of custody did not take place)
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:38 AM
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2. He knew it wouldn't wash.................
yet he did it so he'd appear to be doing EVERYTHING possible to save his political football, Teri Shiavo.
Grandstanding by a jackass to whip the fundies into a frenzy, that's all it was.
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:43 AM
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3. he is more sickening than his brother
anyone that would vote for a Bush is brain dead and soul dead.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:45 AM
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5. other. half-assed attempt at staging
the way it worked out, it seems like it was the worst of both worlds for jeb.

To people who don't think he should have gotten involved, it just looks like one more attempt to get involved. To fundies who want him to storm the place, it looks like he almost did, but didn't have the guts to follow through.

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:47 AM
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7. Jeb comes from parents who, when his sister died...
left the boys (Jeb was a baby) with the babysitter and golfed at the club.

Of course, this was staged.

Fortunately, a few Atticus Finches were there to meet his goons at the entrance to the hospice.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:06 PM
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8. you mean that it's really not irrevocable proof that
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 12:07 PM by stellanoir
the BFEE is not the embodiment of the truth, the light, and the wayyyyy. . . ?

Awwww Shucks.
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glaeken777 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:24 PM
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9. tough call..
I think Jeb is under a lot of pressure to step in, and instinctively went for the loophole. If you read the entire account, it sounds like while the lawyers were prepared for this to happen, law enforcement didn't have a clue. As is always the case with a conflict of jurisdiction, it either ends in ineffectual chaos or a stalemate. I think we just witnessed the stalemate in this story. Neither side (state vs local) seemed willing to lift a finger against the other, so they both stepped back and did nothing. Definitely the smart choice.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:51 PM
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11. Partially, yes.
Let's face it, Bush is governor of Florida because the Religious Right delivered enough votes to make him so. Pretty much the same with the Republican Party at the national level. The RR has become a cohesive and critical coalition to which this Party's political fortunes are tied to.

That doesn't make him, his brother, or Tom DeLay religious....it's just pandering to their key demographic. I think they truely misread the public on this. I was surprised with the overwhelming negative reaction to the actions these people have taken.

Perhaps, this was the last straw for all moderates. Bush Republicanism has stepped in it big time. I suspect that we'll see far less of these actors speaking out on Terri's behalf, now that the polling reveals how big a misread they made of the public's position on this case.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:50 PM
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17. Trust me, if the Religious Right doesn't like you - they can bring u down
In 2002, Tim Hutchinson was up for re-election for his US Senate seat in Arkansas. Problem with Tim was he had left his wife for a staffer which pissed off the Religious Right. Tim was still the republican nominee, but the Religious Right wouldn't vote for him because of what they perceived to be an adulterous way. Mark Pryor, the democrat, ended up winning.

If you piss off the Religious Right they just won't vote for you. Tim Hutchinson was a wakeup call that if you cross their path they'll see to it you lose!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:35 PM
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10. I don't think it was staged. He's done it more than once before.
He sent his armed agents in, took Schiavo to a hospital, and ordered surgery.

Is no one else here aware of that?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:56 PM
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14. What year was that? Tell us more (nt)
nt
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:52 PM
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12. Opportunist of the worst kind! A snake lying in wait in the grasses n/t
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 12:53 PM by lonestarnot
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:54 PM
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13. I chose "Other." Jeb Bush would rather be
a hero to religious extemists than to have them feel he failed them, but how much Jeb Bush cares about Terri Schiavo as a person is another issue.
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DisneyVixen Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 12:59 PM
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15. The truth will come out and the GOP will blame it on propoganda.
Not every offical that works for Bush believes they should storm the compound.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:04 PM
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16. MSNBC admitted yesterday that the entire freak show is staged.
They said they were notified in advance when things would take place.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 01:52 PM
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18. Why am I not suprised
And the police need to move those religious freaks into some sort of First Amendment zone because they are interferring with the other hospice patients and their familes.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:13 PM
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19. Kick!
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