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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:54 PM
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I know many of you are tired of the Schiavo story, but
in case you hadn't heard this yet, I thought you might want to know the inevitable outcome of the throngs of fanatics keeping vigil at the hospice.

I was first made aware of it after reading georgia10's diary. Her rage is equal to mine, but she says it so much more eloquently.:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/26/202027/073

A portion from the article:

When Johnson arrived, a police officer demanded identification; she had none. And after a hospice employee cleared her, another officer halted her for a search with a metal detector.

The delays lasted three to four minutes — the last of her grandfather's life.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050326/ap_on_re_us/schiavo_hospice_chaos

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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:56 PM
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1. Well, if the patients, families, and workers
at the hospice didn't hate these religious right nuts before, I'm sure they do now.

These freaks are literally ruining people's lives.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:57 PM
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2. Yes, this is tragic. These people are not Christians but obsessive
compulsives who need medication as much if not far more than they need to pray.

That they have NO concern for the other people at this facility is proof of that and each one of them should sue Randall Terry and the Schindlers for intentional infliction of emotional distress.

These people are carrying out the wishes of their dying loved ones and to have to parade past signs calling them murderers is an outright abomination.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:58 PM
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28. I agree
Edited on Sun Mar-27-05 12:59 PM by FreedomAngel82
It's truly disgusting. If these people were Christians and had real faith in God and Christ they would say a prayer for Terri and her family for God's will to be done and be happy with it whatever it may be. I don't call these people Christians either. Oh and they're also breaking the law (protesting at a hospital was made illegal in 1988). What's also disgusting is these people claim to be Christians but turn around and send death threats to the Schavio's and the judges because they don't get their way. :grr:
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:57 PM
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3. Incredible.
I hope she went outside and in her grief, let those utterly selfish right wing wackos have it. My mother was in hospice and I don't know what I would have done if that happened to me and my family!
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:15 PM
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10. I agree completely
and standing from a safe vantage point here at home, I'm thinking that I surely would have given them all a piece of my mind! - at least that's what I hope I would have done under the circumstances.

At the very least, these people should be a couple hundred feet away, including the MSM.

This circus is just unconscionable, and so unfair to the families whose loved ones reside there.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:00 PM
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29. One thing I don't get
is why isn't anybody doing anything about this? What about the mayor? Chief of police? Somebody? Can't they do something about this? Don't they know the law of the land?
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:12 PM
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34. Yes, why aren't these protesters being herded into "Free Speech" zones?
Apparently those are just for anti-war protesters and Dems.





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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:59 PM
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4. I'm worried about what they'll do when Ms. Schiavo passes on.
But that is sad how family members were delayed like that because of all the hysteria outside.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 10:59 PM
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5. Oh. Wow.
I can't respond with anything but sickened horror.
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illflem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:02 PM
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6. Latest news is the Schindlers have asked the protesters
to pack up and leave the hospice.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:04 PM
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7. Randall Terry is saying that was "not to be taken
literally." Nonetheless, "ugh" still means "I want to live!"
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:35 PM
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14. ugh" still means "I want to live!"
"Ugh"? I thought it was "aaahhhh," but then again maybe it was "ooohhhh." It's just so hard to keep track of what means what in this thing.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 08:39 AM
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15. Maybe it was "awk" or "umph" only the fundies know for sure. n/t
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:20 AM
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17. Yeah I think it may be related to speaking in tongues
And of course a heathen like me is never going to understand that.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:52 AM
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18. Heathen is my chosen faith too. Let's start a group and make
everyone do exactly as we do. For example, since I am sitting here at nearly 10 a.m. on Easter Sunday without having shaved yet, any man who shaves before 10 a.m. on the first Sunday after the last full moon in March is a heretic and must be burned at the stake when we catch them.

By the way, I still use a mug and brush, so those folks who use the canned stuff are risking perdition.
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:25 AM
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20. ROTFLMAO
Oh yeah, there are a lot of different ways one could go with this. If I could force everyone to follow my "religious" beliefs, the world would be a whole different place.



:toast:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:28 PM
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23. I move we make the Easterish Holiday a Monday holiday -
stay home from work and everybody makes a ham, no a turkey, no better yet a goose, no best of all, pizza in the shape of our symbol, the pizza pan. And we can require NASCAR, the NFL and baseball all to have special races or games and pay $3 million dollars a second for ads.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:35 PM
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24. Guess what? You are a disciple- go figure, stick with this and you
can be an apostle or whatever. Get your name in a book and all that.

I'm working on our song, "Onward fricking Heathens, marching wherever they want, holy, holy, holy, bunch of people sick of all your crap...
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 10:52 AM
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21. I haven't shaved my legs yet -- does that count?
:evilgrin:
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:23 PM
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22. Like other religions we need to set up special rules for women.
I suggest something that combines female leg hair, virginity and the time of the month. Most religions are cool with that kind of stuff.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:41 PM
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25. Guess what? the holy see of the heathen church has decided that
women can be disciples and you are the first! Your name will be revered as "scratchy legged woman named after a Volkswagen" for generations to come. Go figure. This making up religious shit is easy, no wonder so many people have gone into it over the years.

And so it is, and you were there, go figure. (This is like Amen to us Heathens).
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:57 PM
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27. Yeah it is
That's why religion has always attracted the shysters and scoundrels among us as its "messengers".
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:01 PM
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30. But you were just made a disciple, are you not thrilled? n/t
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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:31 PM
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32. Well of course I am excited
But then again, I have always been of questionable character. :evilgrin:

But seriously, I had the unfortunate trauma foisted upon me of being raised in a fundamentalist church. When I was still quiet young I became impressed with the offering plate being passed around and people putting money in it. I thought to myself, what a great gig, scare the hell out of people by telling them that if they don't listen to me, and of course come up off their money, they are going to suffer eternal torment.

So I decided to create my own church to save the other heathen godless children in the neighborhood. I convinced the kids in the neighborhood that they needed to come to my church on Sunday afternoon, setup chairs in the driveway, and even obtained some old hymnbooks from our church to use. Talked the pastor out of giving them to me as I was desirous of spreading the word to children with lost souls in my neighborhood.

So I really had things going great, the kids were coming, we were getting to the part of passing the offering plate around, which was my favorite part, and then all I had to do was just go on for a certain amount of time about how vile and evil they were. However, I had a big problem set in.

Deep down in my gut I was having a real problem with this because deep down I knew that this was just all a hustle and while these kids were all going for it I was having problems convincing myself that this was right. So anyway, this went on for about three weeks, and by then the mothers in the neighborhood was starting to complain that I was hustling their kids out of their allowances, which was true, so I decided to pack it in.

But the real lasting moral truism for me was I really was not very fond of hustling others by preying on their emotions.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 02:27 PM
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33. I was born and raised a third generation heathen. n/t
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:21 PM
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13. Thank Heaven for small favors
but I don't think anyone will leave, do you?

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:02 PM
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31. Why just now?
Why didn't they do this in the very beginning? Bastards.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:10 PM
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8. the holier than thou church people have already said fuck them
hospice fault for knowing doing this causing murder to happen in their place, they dont care about all the other people
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:13 PM
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9. That's awful.
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illini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:18 PM
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11. What a load of freaking crap.
nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:21 PM
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12. I'm with you and no less than Jeb Bush could have
changed this by having Terri moved to a hospital ICU unit and away from the hospice, but he was incapable of doing this because he has no idea what a Governor is supposed to do when all Hell breaks loose.
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 09:59 AM
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19. "Have her moved?"
Taking an incapacitated person from a hospice, without legal authority to do so, is called "kidnapping."

Governors are not exempt from the law. When "all hell breaks loose," governors are supposed to follow the law and the Constitution, just like on any other day.


The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 08:42 AM
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16. Truely evil
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seaj11 Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:53 PM
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26. Wow...
georgia10 said it so well. It's infuriating, disgusting, and if the situation wasn't so tragic the fundies' antics would be laughable.
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