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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:23 PM
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Save Starbucks from Conservative Onslaught
THANK STARBUCKS FOR PUTTING PROGRESSIVE, SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE NEWS MESSAGES ON ITS COFFEE CUPS

Conservatives are steamed at Starbucks’ campaign to put news messages on its coffee cups—such as educating the public about the soaring deficit and environmental problems. Starbucks is being pressured to include conservative voices on its cups. Please e-mail Starbucks at the link below and thank them for being a good corporate citizen by airing progressive views. Urge them to stand firm against conservatives’ efforts to distort the truth—and to continue bringing these important messages to their customers.

http://www.starbucks.com/retail/thewayiseeit_comments.asp
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:29 PM
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1. done!
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:46 PM
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14. Thanks!
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:32 PM
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2. I did as you asked!
This is good news, thanks!:)
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:47 PM
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15. My kind of propaganda -- targeting the java junkies!
As a Starbucks addict, I count myself among that crowd.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:32 PM
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3. I think it'd be great if they put conservative views on the cups
"Lying America into a war and killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis is good"

"We're very good at stealing elections. We've stolen three in a row"

"We think American citizens should be more "moral", even though we're far from it"

"We knew about 9/11 beforehand, and did absolutely nothing to stop it"
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:39 PM
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12. "We knew about 9/11 beforehand"...link to Deception Dollars
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 11:40 PM by NAO
Remember you can bulk purchase and circulate "Deception Dollars". They are packed with informative links to 9/11 and other corporate media suppressed truths.

http://www.deceptiondollar.com/8+/2BillionDDfront.jpg

http://www.deceptiondollar.com/8+/2BillionDDback.jpg

Deception Dollars
http://www.deceptiondollar.com

911 Truth
http://www.911truth.org/

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:46 PM
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13. LOL! If only it could happen.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:32 PM
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4. What the hell happened to
you can do whatever you want with your own business? I guess that only applies to firing gays and liberals that talk out of turn.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:33 PM
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5. This came up on another thread.
I'm probably well to the "left" of many here, but I have serious reservations with a public place like Starbucks, putting ANY explicitly political messages on items one purchases. Not only can that cut both ways, but I still feel uneasy with it on general principles.

pnorman
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:51 PM
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18. Starbucks has long championed certain environmental causes,
as well as fair trade. Save the rainforests, provide living wages to coffee growers in foreign countries, etc.

Many food companies in the natural products industry also do this, and it sits well with their clientele. If someone is that offended they can take their business elsewhere, though with a Starbucks on every corner, it might be kinda tough to find that made-to-order
grande lowfat extra-hot latte or whatever someplace else.

Starbucks as a rethuglican-free zone actually is a rather appealing concept, I think.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:49 AM
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39. Thanks for the reminder.
I may have been too doctrinaire (and stuffy) on that. There are plenty of causes that "conservatives" can support, or at least tolerate. However, as much as I enjoy "being among my own kind" (not that difficult in Seattle), the idea of a place like Starbucks as a "rethuglican-free zone" STILL rubs me the wrong way. An "indie" (anarchist?) coffee-house would be a different matter altogether, although it might operate under the same sort of business license as Starbucks. (Incidentally, Starbucks is my LAST choice of coffee-houses).

I've been functioning in venues where Reptilican Party "values" are the norm, and easily holding my own ... sometimes scoring a few zingers. But I don't EVER want to concede the 'moral edge'.



pnorman
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:14 AM
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43. My daughter ice skates, so at 4 in the morning with nothing else open...
Starbucks is a welcome oasis.

I don't like the way they've crowded out some independent coffee shops, though. On the other hand, in our conservative neck of the woods, chances are the independents were "red" owned companies.

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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:34 PM
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6. Done. Here's what I told them:
Here's what I sent Starbucks:

Thanks for putting progressive, socially conscious messages on the cups. Thank you for helping raise public awareness of these issues.

Please do not be tricked into believing that what you are saying are "liberal views". These are not partisan issues. These are human issues that affect all of us.

Please do not be pressured into believing that you need to balance hard truths with some political parties "opposing views". That is not balance, it is just pandering.

Thanks for being a force for good in the world!

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:53 PM
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19. Excellent! Your message is just what they need to hear.
Let's all stop by Starbucks, drink a cup of your favorite beverage, and fill out comment cards in the stores, too.

Maybe even stand around and comment to other customers about the really interesting facts on those coffee cups--to be sure everyone reads them!

(They are buried under the cardboard ring put around hot beverages, so we want to make sure everyone takes a peek.)
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:37 AM
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37. That is excellent. Mine went like this;
"I am very impressed with Starbuck’s “The way I see it” campaign.
Putting quotes that deal with important and globally empirical issues on your product is certainly very bold in these times where the free exercise of First amendment rights is challenged as ‘unpatriotic’ by many who want to quantify everything as an ‘agenda’.
Please don’t fall into that quagmire of partisanship despite the likelihood that many will label your efforts as such in order to have you adopt their ‘agenda’.
Printing socially and economically pertinent wisdom based upon empirical evidence and informed opinion is no less than courageous.

I have one point though – I could not help but notice that most of your quotes are very ‘conservative’ themes such as ‘balancing budgets’, ‘paying down deficits’, and ‘conserving’ natural resources. It seems likely that many non-conservatives may become upset by some of these quotes.

Either way, you’ve gained a new customer."






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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:34 PM
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7. Done!
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 11:37 PM by bush_is_wacko
I used to feel guilty about spending so much money on all those wonderful drinks at Starbucks, but I now see it as a cause to support real liberal American values. I never feel an ounce of guilt anymore over paying 3 or 4 bucks for a cup of coffee I could have paid 10 cents for at home!

On edit: liberal with a little l! The environment is an issue everyone should care about, but I must say, I haven't met a Republican yet that really did!
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:37 PM
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9. Yep...
I agree wholeheartedly. In fact my hometown is getting our 1st Starbucks soon and I plan on being a regular.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:53 PM
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20. Starbucks is a fairly green and "blue" company, a good combo.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:35 PM
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8. Done....I'm so proud of them....I remember when they first started out in
Seattle....looks like they are getting back to their "roots"...

Let those Conservative nutjobs get all "steamed" about us latte drinking volvo driving tree-hugging Progressives views and Starbucks support of it.... :toast:
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:54 PM
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21. Well...being progressive hasn't seemed to hurt Starbucks any.
On one San Diego intersection, there are FOUR different Starbucks -- and they're all doing fairly well!
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:38 PM
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10. Done.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:39 PM
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11. Okay, but are they being as wishy-washy about all of them
As they are about the evolution one that they put out?

I guess this is number 14 in a series (collect them all!)...

"1.6 million years ago a youth died in Africa. His body was swept into a swamp. In 1984 his bones were painstakingly excavated to reveal a species on the brink of becoming human. All people on earth have one thing in common. We share a single African ancestor; the same as this young boy."
- Dr. Louise Leakey

And underneath that is this:

"This is the author's opinion, not necessarily that of Starbucks. To read more or respond, go to www.starbucks.com/wayiseeit."

TlalocW
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:55 PM
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22. Do they all have the "author's opinion" disclaimer? I'm not sure.
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:50 PM
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16. Jonah Goldberg is progressive?
He's a nazi repug, and Starbucks is putting his quotes on their paper cups.

Fuck them.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:56 PM
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Uh-oh...Maybe they're responding to the conservative pressures.
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:05 AM
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30. he was the second one they did
so they planned this from the beginning.

I will stick with local coffee shops. No wonder those black block guys are always targetting starbucks.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:12 AM
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33. What was the quote?
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:21 AM
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36. it is:
"Everywhere, unthinking mobs of “independent thinkers” wield tired clichés like cudgels, pummeling those who dare question “enlightened” dogma. If “violence never solved anything,” cops wouldn’t have guns and slaves may never have been freed. If it’s better that 10 guilty men go free to spare one innocent, why not free 100 or 1,000,000? Clichés begin arguments, they don’t settle them."

I guess he was just the second person interviewed on their webpage, not the second cup done, for what that is worth.

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:45 AM
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38. Of 31 contributors, only 1 (Goldberg) is conservative
According to this article:


...The problem, critics say, is the company's list of overwhelmingly liberal contributors, including Al Franken, Melissa Etheridge, Quincy Jones, Chuck D. Of the 31 contributors listed on Starbucks' Web site, only one, National Review editor Jonah Goldberg, offers a conservative viewpoint.

http://sptimes.com/2005/03/25/Business/Coffee_with_stea...


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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:51 PM
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17. Done & Kick
:kick:
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:56 PM
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23. Working on that now, but I have a question...
I would love to see some of the actual quotes so that I may comment accurately on the nature of 'The way I see it'.

I have looked online - but not found any yet.

Any suggestions?
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:59 PM
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26. Here's one...
Denis Hayes Every so often, an author comes along with a thought so powerful, we feel compelled to continue the discussion. Below you will find the first quote to appear on Starbucks cups as part of “The Way I See It,” accompanied by a Q&A session with the man behind the message, environmental advocate, Denis Hayes.


The Way I See It #1
"Zeroes are important. A million seconds ago was last week. A billion seconds ago, Richard Nixon resigned the presidency. A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 BC, and early humans were using stone tools. America’s national debt is now $7.5 trillion, and it’s skyrocketing, even as America’s population ages. There will never be a better time to start paying off this crippling debt than today."



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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:09 AM
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32. Thank you
I did run across that one though... it was the only one so far.

I'm still looking.

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:07 AM
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31. Links to article with more info. . .


Coffee with steam
Some conservatives are angered by opinionated quotes that Starbucks puts on its cups.
By JAY CRIDLIN, Times Staff Writer
Published March 25, 2005

...The Seattle coffee chain has raised some eyebrows over its "The Way I See It" campaign, which prints quotes from thinkers, authors, athletes and entertainers on the side of your morning machiatto. The goal, according to the company, is to foster philosophical debate in its 9,000-plus coffeehouses.

...The problem, critics say, is the company's list of overwhelmingly liberal contributors, including Al Franken, Melissa Etheridge, Quincy Jones, Chuck D. Of the 31 contributors listed on Starbucks' Web site, only one, National Review editor Jonah Goldberg, offers a conservative viewpoint.

http://sptimes.com/2005/03/25/Business/Coffee_with_steam.shtml

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:57 PM
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24. Done. With pleasure.
:kick:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:58 PM
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25. done
and kick!
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:03 AM
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27. 33% of the quotes are rethug bullshit
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:03 AM
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28. Done
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:04 AM
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29. Done! -eom
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:12 AM
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34. Self-deleted
Edited on Sun Mar-27-05 12:15 AM by Selatius
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:14 AM
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35. done--with a request for more fairly traded items (my pet project) nt
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:50 AM
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40. I have to laugh at the modern "conservatives"...
Edited on Sun Mar-27-05 12:53 AM by high density
...who evidently have such weak convictions that they need quotes on a coffee cup to reinforce the the distorted world views that they hear from Limbaugh and Fox News. If I saw a right-wing quote on a cup, I'd read it, probably think something like, "That's pretty stupid," and then I'd enjoy throwing it in the trash.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 12:58 AM
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41. Look what someone at StarbucksGossip found out:
"I want to enjoy your product without having Earth Day Network propaganda thrust at me," wrote Malachi Salcido of East Wenatchee, Wash.

--

I wonder why Malachi Salcido hates Earth Day.

Malachi Salcido is a really unique name. I plugged it into Google and found 13 links. All from Wenatchee, Washington.

He is the owner of Salcido Connection Inc - an HVAC service contractor. They deal with heating, ventilation and air conditioning service and repair.

Most air conditioners use CFCs for its refrigerant and CFCs are the leading cause of ozone depletion. The U.S. regulates how the HVAC can handle CFCs. Environmentalists (such as Earth Day Network members) would like to strengthen these regulations while HVAC businesses (such as Salcido Connection Inc) tend to be interested in weakening these regulations.

Mr. Salcido can potentially make more money if there is a reduction of regulations for ozone depleting CFCs. Maybe that is why Malachis Salcido hates the "Earth Day Network propaganda".

Posted by: I did my homework | March 26, 2005 01:24 PM

http://starbucksgossip.typepad.com/_/2005/03/some_conservati.html
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 03:21 AM
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46. He's also from Eastern Washington state. That says it all.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:09 AM
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42. Olbermann quote on Starbucks cups:
The way I See It #17


The world bursts at the seams with people ready to tell you you’re not good enough. On occasion, some may be correct. But do not do their work for them. Seek any job; ask anyone out; pursue any goal. Don’t take it personally when they say “no” – they may not be smart enough to say “yes.”


~ Keith Olbermann


Broadcast journalist and host of MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann





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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:17 AM
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44. What kind of conservative messages?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 01:32 AM
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45. I wish that simple, solid facts weren't called "progressive news"
once upon a time, the news was simply "unbiased"; now if it isn't distorted with GOP spin it's "progressive".
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 03:23 AM
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47. Personally Starbucks can print hymnals on their cups for all I care
I refuse to buy products from mass produced places like Starbucks. I'd rather stick with the local guys!!!
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