The case against Euthanasia

If Euthanasia were a choice (there is that choice word again) those of us so wishing could cash in our chips at our chosen time.

The remaining 'Chips' would go to our family instead of to the medical industry.

We could call it "Save our children's inheritance law".

A terminally ill very wealthy friend of mine told me he was not going through the hospital system and lose his daughters inheritance. Taking matters into his own hands he checked out of the hospital went home and hung himself.

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The TS case IS NOT euthanasia.

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and hung himself. That's suicide.

Having no 'Choice' in the hospital he went home and chose 'Euthanasia' a polite term for suicide which of course is against the law and a person could be prosecuted too if still alive.

Sure.

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or done by an outside party.

An easy death

A putting to death by painless means

A means of putting to a painless death

My dictionary does not specify the putter.

Euthanasia can be self inflicted.

But I am not for or against Euthanasia. I am saying the concept of choice in ending ones own life is contrary to the profit motives of the medical industry.

The medical industry must be allowed to wring every last penny from the victim before he/she is allowed to die.

I consider the Bush* Texas law which allowed the poor black child to be pass on (Die) simply by withdrawing medical care to be a form of Euthanasia.

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euthanasia and suicide are treated differently under the law. I'm not aware that euthanasia is now considered a polite form of suicide.

I'm for euthanasia as defined by many European countries... and Oregon.

If people start thinking of euthanasia as a polite form of suicide, the fundies will go nutz... again.

That is why Euthanasia is presently known as 'Assisted suicide'.

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It's a shame that the definition is tied to the term "suicide" in any form.

Here's a link that may interest you.

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Euthanasia

the 6 words for love when I remember them, sometimes we are too general in our language.

In Oregon, the doctor prescribes the medication, but the patient administers it. It's a polite form of suicide. The final decision is always the patient's, completely autonomous.

I believe it is the same in the Netherlands.

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they don't pay life insurance if someone commits suicide, do they? Well, I guess if he was wealthy, the inheritance would still go to his kid. Maybe I answered my own question

suicide.

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I didn't know that. I have always been told that it won't pay in cases of suicide. Period.

but they don't like it at all.

I wonder how that works in the real world. I suppose if euthanasia by choice ever became a nationwide opportunity then insurance policies would not 'Pay off' and rightly so.

I am reminded of a song. "If living were a thing that money could buy the rich would live and the poor would die" (after all their money and property was consumed by the medical industry.) The poor would of course die sooner than the rich.

So the song is true.

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don't have suicide riders (older ones I think). Some suicide riders expire after a period of time.

I was thinking about how america's economic conditions will affect people who aren't part of monkey boy's elite base.

Let's consider a family in the middle class. Parents' had well-paying jobs that recently were outsourced. They grab 2 or 3 jobs to continue supporting their family... at least to cover the basics (no health insurance or debts except mortgage). They work long hours. Their family structure starts crumbling, they have less time to spend raising their children. One partner has had a paid up life insurance policy for some time. Depression affects the entire family, but it's deeper in one parent. The credit card companies go after them for unpaid bills. There's no bankruptcy option available to them that will get them on their feet. Depressed, one partner considers suicide rather than seeing their family become homeless.

Regardless of your personal feelings about suicide, can you understand why the person, under stress and depressed, killed themselves?

I think situations like the above are far more likely than a bunch of elite's killing themselves to preserve inheritances (yes, there will be exceptions like the example above) because I can't imagine greedy, self-centered people caring enough about their kids to kill themselves. But that's just MHO.

in all NAIC model law states - which means all states.

And policies with "riders" have been held invalid as against public interest - so I can think of no way a suicide would stop the payment.

The options on a suicide for an insurance company - since it is forbidden to try to obtain "unjust enrichment" - is to return premiums - or to pay the death benefit in the policy. I have not heard of a rider paying "return of premiums" instead of the death benefit in all the years I have been watching this stuff (meaning post 1960). And the suicide clause is uniform throughout the states (granted some 1 year rather than 2 year stuff is around).

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They have a 'compassion and dignity in death law' that allows for me to leave orders to let me go quickly and without letting me linger for days or weeks in pain.

I also have a living will that states that past 'normal' and 'emergency' means that I don't want to be kept alive if there is no 'reasonable' chance of recovery.

My religious beliefs are that the body is a shell, when I'm done with it, it needs to be let go, not forced to linger.

On Oregon's law, 1 - it's very carefully constructed with a number of safety features to keep people from abusing it.

Death is a part of life, get used to it, accept it, plan to live on past your acts if you're really afraid you won't live otherwise.

to not have medical care beyond comfort measures is sufficient. No real need for suicide to essentially just speed things up.

and one can do whatever one chooses with a gift, including destroy it.

The TS case is not about euthanasia, either, which I presume is why this post was written.

No one considers the monetary aspects more than the medical community. Hence, *'s law in Texas that allows a medical provider to pull the plug, even when the family does not want to, if the situation is hopeless, and they can't pay.

No this is not about TS. Ts is none of my business at all. Period.

"No one considers the monetary aspects more than the medical community"

Yes, that is what I am saying.

The medical industry would not benefit from legal suicide by Euthanasia.

And when the money is gone then the victim dies.

Clearly.

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my response was tacky. It's easy to get carried away in these forums sometimes.

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process. I couldn't give it to her, although I did tell my father what a lethal dose of several common medications would consist of. About a year before she died, she stopped begging for my help. I didn't know it at the time, but my father had obtained a lethal dose of one of the drugs I had mentioned and put it within her reach.

My mother never chose to use it, but knowing an easy way out was available if it all got too hard was a tremendous comfort to her. After she died and my dad fessed up, I thanked him. I would have thanked him had she chosen to end it.

Euthanasia should be a personal, family, medical, and ethical choice and all the busybodies out there need to BUTT OUT. Had my mother chosen to end her life early, it would have been her business. I wanted her to live forever, but not like THAT. I didn't care about money. I cared that she was blind, deaf, barely able to breathe, unable to walk, and miserable.

I fully realize that there are families out there who are less than enthusiastic about each other, and that's where an ethics panel would come in, making sure the person requesting euthanasia had things like depression and pain adequately treated and that there was no undue pressure from the heirs.

Wringning every last drop of misery out of a prolonged death should not be what a civilized and compassionate society should be about. I am firmly in favor of euthanasia with an ethics panel as a part of the decision. Anything else is inhumane.

Did you read it? Did you read the thread? It is about the medical industry losing money if Euthanasia were legal. May be I should have kept it more direct.

The old farmer I worked for years ago was named 'Joe Mondo'. He was a nice man and made really good white wine from his own vineyards. The house I am living in was a Mondo home a hundred years ago.

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understand.

Have you discovered the medical industry to be significantly opposed to euthenasia - or assisted suicide, which is actually what you described.

The medical industry stands to lose a bunch of money if/when people are able to legally chose their time of death via (Euthanasia/Suicide).

A simple thought from a simple brain.

No?

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Has the medical industry opposed euthenasia or assisted suicide?

I know they are poor over there - but they shouldn't kill themselves over it!! :D:D:D:D:D

Sorry, I can't be serious about Terri and related issues sometimes!