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Higans Donating Member (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 05:46 AM
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Has Terri made it to heaven yet?
I do feel sorry for Terri. But my feelings for her are not relevant. I must look at this in a realistic way.

I find it interesting that the same people who are so concerned about "the sanctity of marriage" when it applies to same sex couples are so quick to destroy that same sanctity between Terri and her husband. the hypocrisy is astounding.

Further more it is obvious that Terri does not want a feeding tube. remember she got to this point through Bulimia. and she has now been force fed for 15 years. not eating is what she wanted all along.

I have a Darwinian take on this as well. I don't understand why the Police are bothering to arrests the kids that are trying to bring her a glass of watter. I say let them give her a glass of watter, and if she can't bring it up to her mouth and drink, then oh well. it's called survival of the fittest. If nature had been allowed to take it's coarse she would have died 15 years ago.

so, they are so concerned about life..... Well if they really wanted to preserve the life that Teri has left at this point, they would donate her organs so that Terri might bring life to others, and in effect live on. it's entirely possible that some one who actually has a brain might need a kidney, or a heart.

Further more, I am very concerned at the direction that our fundamentalist, tyrannical, religious right, government seems to be going. every day they attempt to exert more and more control over the personal lives of the citizens of this country, as well as this planet. it seems as though they are trying to exert total control over all aspects of our lives from what we do in our bedroom to what we do on our death beads. I'm sorry but I don't want any one telling me when to die or who I can or can't fuck if I so choose. And now they are even saying that Pharmacist don't have to give you birth control pills if it goes agings their Moral Values. well you know what, filling prescriptions is their job. if they refuse to do their job they should be fired. end of story. If I work at McDonald's, and I decide to become a Vegan, I can't decide to only let people order fries, or hash browns. If I did I would be fired. I don't see a difference.

as a matter of fact, I think I am going to mark the donor box on my license so that way every one knows that hey, if my brain is dead, you can go ahead and give the rest of me away. 15 years laying in bed not being able to talk, move or swallow is Bull Shit. Even if she is conscious as her parents would have us believe, that makes it even worse. I would hate to be kept alive in that state and I would certainly hope that I was not aware of my condition for 15 years. after 15 years of that if they pulled my feeding tube out and I could talk I would say "Kill me. Please before the fundamentalist can gag me with that fucking feeding tube again."

seriously doesn't the government have better things to do then get involved in our personal lives, out source our jobs and destroy our Social Security? are they still hunting Bin Ladin or what?

To bad that none of what I am saying matters since they don't even bother counting the votes of the people any more thanks to touch screen voting technology.

O.K. now I must release all of this annoyance that I have felt over this and other issues and get back to living my life to the best of my ability. at least Big Brother hasn't tried to start doing that for me...............Yet.
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WearyOne Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 06:05 AM
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1. her spirit went a long time ago
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:26 AM
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2. delete
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 07:34 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 07:51 AM
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3. I have noooo problem...
if those were her EXPRESSED wishes.....and I think this is totally unclear-despite what the courts and Judge Greer have said.And her husband gives me little confidence.

But make no mistake....no one but the fundies wanted this to go to congress.

And as for her parents,NO ONE has right to tell them to basically "get over it"-not that you did.These parents and brother and sister truely love their daughter/sister.

I hope we are never in their shoes.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:00 AM
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4. One a personal basis, would YOU want to be kept alive in the
same manner as Terri, even though there was no chance of even a partial recovery?

If ANYONE answers yes, I am very interested in understanding why.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:05 AM
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5. No I wouldnt.....
but the parents want to take care of her and if they think all options havent been exhausted, I say lets respect their wishes.
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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:07 AM
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6. You wouldn't want to live like that,
but you have no problem consigning Mrs Schiavo to it because that's what her parents want?

That's nice.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:15 AM
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7. Correct..
I have no problem respecting the family's wishes.
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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:19 AM
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8. as long as it's not you.
What about HER wishes as determined by the Courts?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:52 AM
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11. What ??
what kind of bs is that..."as long as its not you".

If you bothered to read my posts I said if she explicitly said that i have no problem ....but the courts , imho , got it wrong.

I have to accept the courts ruling...I just dont have to agree with it.
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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:55 AM
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12. You said that
you wouldn't want to live like that so why would you want someone else to?

Despite YOUR opinion, the Courts have decided this matter time and again.

That's what kind of "BS" that is.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:01 AM
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13. I dont want anyone to live like that if they dont want to !!


Like I said, the courts have decided ....wrongly in my opinion.

I know I'm in the minority here.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:31 AM
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10. Yes, in typical fashion, like they *controlled* Terri, it's all about
"the parents." No, the legal guardian is the husband. We may not like it but he was NOT the only one who testified that Terri stated that she would not want to live this way.

Wake up to the fact that the parents are shameless "control freaks." I see very little true love for their daughter ... I would not have paraded that video around ... the parents LOVE the attention far more than they respect their daughter's dignity ... and they are milking the national attention for all that it's worth. The more we figuratively swoon and kiss their behinds, the more they will posture and wail.

I feel NO sympathy for such selfish people. Again, if you really think about it - it IS *all about the Schindlers.* Isn't it?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 09:16 AM
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14. So when there is a dispute by whom should it be settled?
What is the legitimate forum, since you maintain court is not adequate to the need?
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bush_whacked Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 08:22 AM
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9. No b/c her physical body is still here
When her "shell" dies she will ascend to her heaven. Until then she is in limbo. Nice huh?

I don't get how people can say, "We don't trust him b/c he has moved on" So what? If he was a true shit as people say, he would have divorced her and married again. But he hasn't. Why? Because he is following her wishes.

The family has the audacity to use the media for their goals, but now they are saying, "Okay everyone go home" Sorry, weirdo's don't work that way, and neither does the media. Both groups are in for the long haul.

Her organs cannot be donated because after the tube was removed they are/were damaged beyond repair.

I feel sorry for everyone involved in this, but, as far as I'm concerend it is the family that is in the wrong here and they are using her to further their own agenda. They don't care what she may have wanted, they care about what they want.

Isn't it great? In America you can say a big, "FUCK YOU" to a persons wishes as long as you have money and or backers to attack what a person wants.
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