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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:32 PM Original message |
Why I do not like this Pope.... |
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Thurston Howell IV (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. In a radio interview, Timothy Leary said |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Mother Theresa was evil? WTF? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. It's not a new view |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. exactly. i usually don't bring this up because people just don't |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Actually |
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no safe haven (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
52. Timothy Leary's dead.... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #52 |
94. Oh. How. Weird! |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Oh, those deaths |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. He is among the most conservative popes in modern history. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. my concept of modern history goes back |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. That's the funny thing about the term modern |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Nope |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. In what way? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Vatican II |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Yeah but what was next |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I'm not sure what you're asking |
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El Supremo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Do you remember the book and movie 'The Shoes of the Fisherman'? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Yes |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Well |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. I see |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
116. I respect your right to your opinion, Dookus |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. thanks midlo |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
74. My concept of modern history goes back farther than Vatican II |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Well I'm not comparing to all the previous popes... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. But he's really more of the 20th century and compared with Pius XII et al. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I'm sorry |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I think he's center-left as far as popes go |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. center-left in what way? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:05 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. If you want to see what he did that was leftist, check RW criticisms |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:08 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. yes |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. The Popes policies on religious matters are hardly symbolic! |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. well put |
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jakefrep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I think... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. yeah |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Nobody was |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. You're right on most of that |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I doubt very much the next Pope |
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Freedom_from_Chains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. But no one denies this Pope had a role in hiding pedophiles |
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chimpy the poopthrower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm not Catholic and I don't have a strong opinion on the Pope. |
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Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
121. Agreed and seconded |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. That's seems reasonable |
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El Supremo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
15. You sort of left one out. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. well |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
16. For me - it is enough he does not encourage safe sex. I do not like him. |
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Fenris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. That's a very reasoned analysis, Dookus |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
23. Well said! |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
24. I wonder what would happen here if someone posted why they dont like some |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. the pope inserts himself into politics and promotes oppressive |
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El Supremo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Does Sun Young Moon count? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. He's not just a spiritual leader, he's a head of state. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Did you read my post? |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. If Sharon was dying, I would not post "Why I dislike Sharon" thread |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. There's a little box |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Ok. I will do just that. But you insult most catholics with your post. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I did NOT insult most catholics with my post |
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Merope215 (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
91. I thought your OP was great |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Ok. I'll let it rest. |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #42 |
86. As a Jew, I will tell you... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:07 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. LOL |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #42 |
100. You do understand that Sharon is NOT a religious leader? |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #100 |
123. You're right, but I would hope he could pick a better moment to do it. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Why? |
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chimpy the poopthrower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. That's funny. I actually posted that the OP is a good example... |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. DId you miss all of the Reverend Jackson threads? |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
31. I'm not religious, but the man is DYING. This is in inappropriate IMHO |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I disagree |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. There isn't much denying what you've said |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I'd like to know how they get that number |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. I find it extremely difficult to believe they are "taking care" of 95% |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. This was what was reported at the time |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. As I said |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Federal grants, state funding, and non profit funding for AIDS in SF |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. The Catholic Church doesn't advocate the use of condoms or measures |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
64. How do priests and parishes "take care" of AIDS patients anyway? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. I totally agree with you on this, and I rarely agree with you on ANYTHING! |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Yes... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. Heh... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #41 |
125. Funny, I agree with almost everything Dookus says! n/t |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-05 12:15 AM Response to Reply #125 |
127. aww.... |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
36. Thank you for saying "I will not cheer when he dies" and |
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Meshuga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. Well said... |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. There is something hypocritical and paradoxical |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. 'why try to introduce logic into a religious discussion? " |
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DerekG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
61. This Christian certainly has qualms with John Paul II |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
62. Would you like him in a house? Would you like him with a mouse? |
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El Supremo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
63. The Catholic Church and Contraception from an Atheist |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
65. JP II did not invent any of the policies which you itemized.. |
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El Supremo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. So you are saying... |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. The Church moves only slightly faster than glaciers.. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I never said he was the |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 03:36 AM Response to Reply #73 |
111. Read my original response to you.. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 03:46 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. I agree |
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El Supremo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
115. Oh, I'm sure some of them were not enlightened enough. |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. "But at least they don't advocate chopping your head off because of it." |
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Princess Turandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. If I had dredged up the entire statement.. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 02:50 AM Response to Reply #71 |
110. of course there are |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
66. I've never met the Pope-- can't really say if I'd like him or not |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
68. I guess I'll nail another compliant to the door... |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. and one more... |
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Matilda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
76. Dookus, your words resonate |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
78. Deleted message |
Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:43 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. I thought you were going to hide this thread |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. I wish I could have read that post before it was deleted |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-31-05 11:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. lol |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
89. Do any catholics |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #89 |
97. yes |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #89 |
98. The Pope has tremendous power and influence |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
93. He DID apologize for letting fascism take over way back when BUT |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
95. He's irrelevant. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:29 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I disagree |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:36 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Pfft. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I was Catholic, too, for many years |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
102. Great post Dookus |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
103. For Your Information, Ladies And Gentlemen |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. It certainly sounds imminent... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Thank you Magistrate... |
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tedzbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 02:05 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. But can't I say this? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 02:08 AM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Do You Think That In Good Taste Just Now, Sir? |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 02:09 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. That is... |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 02:11 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Please |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #103 |
124. yes |
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ultraist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 05:23 AM Response to Original message |
113. Well done Dookus! |
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Donkeyboy75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
114. Nice discussion. |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Thank you.... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
118. Good post. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
119. I, too, want to thank you for a very reasoned OP |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-05 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
122. I think this Pope was actually quite radical.... |
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