Why are drinkers tough on cannabis users?

I mean, their drug of choice is much more harmful that cannabis, and is responsible for thousands of deaths every year. I don't understand it. Do they prefer black outs over getting the munchies or what??

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That's not even specific enough to be a premise much less a theory.

I think it's safe to assume they drink alcohol, that they're not all non drinkers, and they are the harshest on cannabis..
and how about beer-drinking rednecks?? How about everyone watching the Super Bowl??

Is that paranoia the result of smoking pot?
I don't accept that drinkers are hard on people who smoke pot.

LOL

but it's hard to see through the bong smoke to be certain. ;-)

It was a statement and I think we both know that.

:P

What about people who do both???

(not that I'm admitting anything, now....)

and have preconceived notions about cannabis, and have bought the drug war propaganda about cannabis.

And know that a lot of the "propaganda" is true?

you claimed that cannabis makes people stupid, and I say there are no studies to support this.

I suggested that is what the other poster might be saying.

Which of it do you believe?

She drinks like a fish, but that's LEGAL. The other stuff isn't...it finances the terrorists...Yeah, she's a raving repug.

I have always heard the "but it's legal" and the "soon you'll be doin' heroin" bs. :eyes:

It's a gateway drug. Some folks are using it as pain management...I don't live in a state that condones that though. (We're supposed to support big pharm!)

are partly responsible for the lies. They lobby the politicians to keep it illegal, they know it's a threat to their profits, bottom line.

Plus it doesn't hurt that corporate amerikkka can't figure out how to keep peeps from growing their own and getting high w/o them getting a cut.

Gyre

about the attempt to get 'medicinal beer' accepted during Prohabition.

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After Prohibition went into effect, an odd alliance of special interests argued that beer worked wonders on a host of ailments

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And in the early months of 1921, a dedicated group of brewers, physicians and imbibers attempted to convince the U.S. Congress that beer was nothing less than vital medicine. Whatever craven thirsts might have inspired its advocates, the right of physicians to prescribe "medical beer" was the subject of intense national debate, drawing the attention of officials at the highest levels of government and provoking arguments within the American Medical Association and other professional groups.

The arguments had less to do with the number of likely prescriptions (nobody thought beer would replace castor oil) than with the long-term implications of legalizing the consumption of beer. It was what politicians today call a wedge issue: unimportant, even ridiculous, in itself, but with potentially vast legal and cultural consequences. (The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to take up the far more medically significant question of medical marijuana by June of this year.)

As with all wedge issues, technical details masked a host of larger and more far-reaching concerns. Both supporters and detractors understood the so-called "beer emergency" as a referendum on Prohibition itself, a test of the federal government's right to regulate vice and dictate professional standards.

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Entire article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian/issues05/apr05/presence.html

they just go and get their little buzz with no worries about a hangover or dry heaves or car wrecks or liver damage. they're just a buncha wussies, i tell ya. Why, back when i was a kid we used to hit ourselves on the head with a hammer while we were drinkin' just to make it MORE damaging...AND WE LIKED IT THAT WAY!

You both need to feel better than "those people" when all of you know that you are both engaging in something that (with VERY few exceptions) is not good at all for your physical or mental health.

Smoking ANYTHING causes major damage to your respiratory system and cancer along with various other nasty things and can lead to an untimely death. Emphysema is a real shitty way to die too.

The health detriments of alcohol are pretty well documented. Liver, cancer, etc.

What both substances have in common is that they make you into a complete and utter idiot, prone to making really BAD decisions. Unfortunately sometimes that stupid behavior has consequences for others. If your life is so desperate that you need to chemically anesthetize yourself see a therapist or do something constructive about it.

That is all. :hide:

And nowdays there are vaporizors, no smoking involved :-)

weed and got themselves killed. (Watched that happen one awful night) EVERYBODY uses a vaporizer, NOBODY smokes the stuff anymore. Memory loss isn't a problem, (divorced living proof) and chemically medicating yourself instead of dealing with your problems is a great formula for a productive and healthy life.


Puh........leeeze. You can make yourself FEEL better about your bad habit anyway you like but fish just can't ride bicycles and turds don't fly in Paducah.

And you're probably AA too? All or nothing, black or white, no inbetween with them,, sort of like Shrub!

Although I've seen plenty of it. Not very attractive.

Hey, Shrub was a drug abuser and very defensive about it too, sorta like you!

is unattractive? Gee, I always have a smile on my face after a few puffs.. that's not exactly unattractive.
My original post was why drunks are so anti cannabis. It's always been around, and always will be.. and for those who choose to not use any substance, that's cool.. I'm not suggesting that try it, but to simply let smokers live free, in the land of 'freedom', without being locked in a cage. It's not a criminal problem, it's a health issue, basically, and I, unfortunately live in a country which persecutes cannabis users, and the war on drugs has made a mockery out of our freedoms, linking cannabis to 'terrorism', to name just one thing.
All our politician's are bought and paid for, but a lot of you believe in your leaders, and let it slide that they've all been bought and paid for. People here think Dems aren't bought, like the repugs are, but there is no difference.
If we ended the war on drugs, America could invest in their youth, by building new schools, rebuilding the old ones that are falling apart, allow cannabis users to go to school, and receive pell grants even if they do smoke cannabis, stop stealing vehicles from cannabis users.. the list goes on and on. This drug war has created incredible amounts of corruption with police, etc. They don't drug test cops, lawyers, politicians, etc. There are too many double standards associated with it. It's the poor people who get jail time for it, not those who are well off. Look at Rush Limbaugh.. NO jail time.. go figure.
Peace out.

as alcohol?

i find that hard to believe.

I mean yeah if you're an alcoholic or a heavy pot smoker maybe one uses them to escape reality or the stresses of everyday life. But many people use it for recreation. Some people have a glass of wine to relax and same take a bong hit. One is legal yes but alcohol contributes to so many deaths but pot doesn't. A stoned person just wants to chill and listen to some good music, watch a dvd or have great sex but drunk people want to raise hell cause trouble or become more flirtatious than they would be otherwise which can also cause problems.

I'm just giving an example.

I have made some really great decisions while smoking weed. I wrote a couple of songs that still pay my rent to this day for starters. I also learned a lot about myself from the experience of smoking weed.

Not to say it is all good and not at all harmful but you can vaporize weed and not get the toxic effect of smoking it.

Drinking can be useful too if not abused. People who only see black and white seem frightened to me. I have always looked down on straight edge people. I find they are usually shallow and stuck on some sort of dogma not unlike religion. “Just say no” is a fucking cult like mantra that is removed from reality. It's fine if you don't want to do it but to assume you understand it or should dictate to others what they should do is silly. And BTW therapy can be more harmful than drugs if you are a week minded person and get the wrong therapist. Going to the wrong Church can fuck up your brain as bad as any drug I have every seen. I have had better conversations with junkies than fundies.

I just wish they would let people decide for themselves what to do with their body.

or enjoy myself. My family and our friends have enjoyed all kinds of fun things together . We have real, honest fun. Falling down laughing kind of fun none of which involved getting wasted or high.
Kinda hard for some people to imagine, I'm sure.

You know, I'll grant you there really isn't any problem with occasional and responsible users of either substance. The problem is so few users are occasional and/or responsible. It's also patently ridiculous for one group of abusers to claim they are any better than another group of abusers.

Prescription meds addict Lance says "Thank GOD I'm not a drunk like Ashley' who says 'thank GOD I'm not a pot-head like Gil" who says Mike is a loser for doing meth. In a circle they go, all dancing around the same damn tree.

Unfortunately, many Americans often view drug use as "always bad." The argument that "abstinence is the only way" is flawed at best. It is an argument that can also be linked with religious philosophy.

Smoking pot might be "bad" for some, but it is certainly not "bad" for all. The "just say no" people are too anally retentive and dogmatic.

If people never experimented with an occasional drink or drug, would we have all of the music, art, theater, and literature that has touched our lives? Sure, some drug use ends in tragedy. But not always.

(I am not saying the above poster would be a "drag to hang out with." I am just commenting in relation to your other remarks.)

its a matter of propaganda.

Many people actually believe that drinking is less harmful than pot BECAUSE it's legal. They form their positions based on the "war on drugs" adds. And not from scientific information.

is that drinking is legal and pot is not, and for some reason a lot of people think this means something substantive. Like, if it's illegal it MUST be bad. Then there's the gateway bull, although somehow the fact that drug users almost universally start with alcohol seems to disappear down a black hole.

The REAL reason is that pot smokers are librul, Commie, hippie freaks, while alcohol drinkers are real men who drive pick-ups and can crush a beer cans on their heads. Plus, guys under the influence of alcohol go out and fight or scream at football games, all-American pastimes. Pot smokers just sit around and think about thing - totally unAmerican.

why are straight edge vegans so smug & condescending? birds eat fermented berries. cats eat catnip. its not like humans are the only beings with the impulse to alter their perception.

as to "substance abuse", food is a substance.

lets say i love vegetarian tom kha gai (i think that's the one with coconut milk) beyond all reason. which i do. tofu, mushrooms, lemon grass, galanga, & cocunut milk. coconut milk contains saturated fat. too much of it will make me obese & unhealthy. so even though i'm full, and i don't NEED any more coconut milk, i just might indulge & have another bowl because i WANT it.

i believe that i just abused a substance.