Didn't Pope John Paul II suspect that W was the anti Christ?

seems i read that a couple years back.

Chilling.:scared:

to another discussion here on DU from a couple of days ago that relates to this ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2926011

If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
total = 666 (Antichrist)

I looked into this and it seems to work out, but have a bit of a problem fitting the last 'h' into the equation. Then again I'm no linguistic professor on Hebrew. Interesting.

Isn't he the guy pushing the Gannon/pedophile link? If so, I'm discounting this story.

Never heard that one from anyone but Bush.

tried to deprive Kerry of the sacraments. But I never heard the Pope endorse anyone. And it is well known he didn't care for Bush, regardless of the agenda of some Catholic Bishops. It is true that the Pope didn't like pro choice stances of American politico's , but that didn't make him like Bush.

... Never withheld communion from any politicians r/t their stance on choice.

Like you I never understood the Pope to support the Chimp in any way

edit: grammar

The Pope didn't support anyone in the American election. Some of the American Bishops had big mouths, but I personally know more Catholic Clergy who supported Kerry than who supported Bush.

The Pope's official position was that while Catholics who voted for a pro-choice politician (read Kerry) because, and only because, he or she was pro-choice would be committing a sin. On the other hand, Catholics who voted for a pro-choice politican because they agreed with him or her on other important issues that were were supported by other of the Church's teachings e.g. peace and justice issues, where the church was much more liberal, would not be committing a sin.

The underlying message as I understood it, was that the church, or at least the Pope, did not encourage single issue voting but encouraged voters to look at the totality of a candidate's positions. Those American Bishops who encouraged Catholics to vote solely on the issue of abortion were in opposition to the Pope's wishes which may be why he issued this statement in the first place.

Sadly it's nuances did not play well on TV.

that the Church said that voting for a pro-choice candidate was okay if that person was voting for that candidate for reasons other than the choice issue is a clear sign that the Vatican hates bush. I couldn't believe it when I read the statement, because I was surprised that they took such a reasoned position that involved the choice (aka, abortion) issue. I guess the people in the Vatican are well-aware of the dangers of facism, and made the statement because of those dangers.

Many bishops told voters to vote for a "prolife" candidate. They threatened to excommunicate Kerry and refuse him communion.

I don't know if the pope directly said, 'vote for Bush' but he is very vocal about prolife issues and stem cell research.
Not so. It pales in comparison to the Quakers and the Episcopalians on elevating women.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/special...
PHILADELPHIA - Alongside President Bush's overwhelming support from his evangelical Christian base Tuesday came another dramatic election result: Bush reversed his 2000 showing and convincingly captured the Roman Catholic vote

Analysts were unsure of the influence of Catholic bishops who had warned that parishioners should vote in accordance with church teachings on abortion and other "life issues."

"Surveys have shown that Catholics generally don't walk (in) lockstep with church prelates," said G. Terry Madonna of Franklin and Marshall College, who is director of the Keystone Poll. "But the bishops probably had some salience, particularly with ethnic groups and so-called Reagan Democrats, who tend to be more pro-life and against the Hollywood elite."

White, the Catholic University professor, believes the bishops "helped Bush enormously. If Bush's strategy was to enlarge his base, you do that by finding like-minded people and like-minded Roman Catholics who find life issues and religiosity important
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I highly doubt these bishops were going against the pope when they told their congregation to vote for a pro life candidate.

He personally called Gov Bush on several different occassions pleading with him not to execute certain people, some of whom were mentally retarded or minors when they comitted crimes. Bush basically told him to fuck off each time. No, he did not like Bush, no matter what Bush told American Catholics.

he could have been a little more up front with his dislike. I mean the Pope doesn't need Bush to tell American Catholics what he thinks. The Pope had his own mouth.

Had he been younger and in better health, he may have had more to say

All he would have to have done is put out the word to his people and they could have made all the stink they wanted. I really don't think he was as committed to the position as he is credited with. If he really disliked the guy's policies that much, there were plenty of options to express his concern. It is not like he had to do an Anti-Bush walk-a-thon.

his favorite pastime

and Bush mocked her pleading for her life.

Bush's self-proclaimed adherence to Christianity (during one of the presidential debates he said Jesus Christ was his favorite "philosopher") and his constant reference to a new international structure bypassing the United Nations system and long-standing international treaties are worrying the top leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. Well-informed sources close to the Vatican report that Pope John Paul II is growing increasingly concerned about Bush's ultimate intentions. The Pope has had experience with Bush's death fetish. Bush ignored the Pope's plea to spare the life of Karla Faye Tucker. To show that he was similarly ignorant of the world's mainstream religions, Bush also rejected an appeal to spare Tucker from the World Council of Churches - an organization that represents over 350 of the world's Protestant and Orthodox Churches. It did not matter that Bush's own Methodist Church and his parents' Episcopal Church are members of the World Council.

Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs, and his constant references to "evil doers," in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations - the anti-Christ. People close to the Pope claim that amid these concerns, the Pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament. Before he became Pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel." The Pope, who grew up facing the evils of Hitler and Stalin, knows evil when he sees it. Although we can all endlessly argue over the Pope's effectiveness in curtailing abuses within his Church, his accomplishments external to Catholicism are impressive.

According to journalists close to the Vatican, the Pope and his closest advisers are also concerned that the ultimate acts of evil - the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon - were known in advance by senior Bush administration officials. By permitting the attacks to take their course, there is a perception within the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy that a coup d'etat was implemented, one that gave Bush and his leadership near-dictatorial powers to carry out their agenda.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

Your post is what my understanding has always been...

of fatima was conveyed to him by Sister Lucia... that is the rumor at least.

But, the Vatican felt that the world was not ready for it at that point. When it was fincally revealed in 2000 (I think). It was supposedly about a assassin trying to take the Pope's life (which happened in 1981).

Now this is where it gets weird, if that was the message, then why was there great secrecy surrounding it? Surely if that was the message, then the Vatican could have announced it sooner.

I think the Vatican has since admitted that they only partially revealed the vision and that the rest of it has to do with the Apocalypse. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the rest was about the Apocalypse starting soon after the Pope's passing. I think * has all the signes of the Antichrist.

cause i suspect he is too.

:D

The vatican revealed the "last secret" years ago. Search for "fatima last secret" (or similar) on Google and you'll find lots of pages.

In a nutshell, it's nothing too revelatory. It just concerns the attempted assasination on the Pope back in 1981.

made over the years about the nature of the secret, by those who would know its content.

That crossed my mind when I made that last post. I'm no stranger to conspiracy theories but I'm finding it difficult to believe that Sister Lucia would confirm if it really was a cover story. But on the other hand, it doesn't seem like the sort of thing that is worthy of keeping secret for all those years.

Another possibility is that the Vatican had misinterpreted what the third secret was. In this scenario, the released text is correct but it doesn't refer to the assasination attempt on the Pope. After all the text doesn't refer to John Paul II by name nor does it mention any dates so like all prophecies, it's open to interpretation.

To be honest, I don't know enough about this subject to comment further.

you believe in. Thank you again.

signs and ill portents......

Bush Killa by Paris


"I understand that time is running out..."

Now who is able to make war with the beast?
It starts with P
Trumpets sound when I push the program
And set my sight on a serpent man
Swinging the sword of the righteous
Make devils drop and they just can't spite this
Genocide and the minds of men make
Brothers like me fill up with hate
I smell a skunk in the air
Cause your program still ain't fair
So who you wanna blame for "The Hate That Hate Made?"
When P let off and pigs get sprayed
Y'all wanna kill off the black man
But I know your master plan
So we'll see who stop the black guerrilla..
P-Dog the Bush Killa

Yeah, it's P-Dog the Bush Killa

Yeah, tolerance is gettin thinner
Cause Iraq never called me "nigger"
So what I wanna go off and fight a war for?
You best believe I got your draft card!
So bad to hate somebody else
But much worse to hate yourself
Victim to the mentacide of the devil why
must black folk be made to die?
Keepin 'em on and on.. keepin ya on and on
Now my brother down South said, "Fuck the Police"
I'm sayin, "No Justice, No Peace"
So I just stick 'em like that
Cause everybody want to get the black, huh
But we'll see who'll stop the black guerilla..
P-Dog the Bush Killa

"He's been shot!" "The president is dead"
Yeah, it's P-Dog the Bush Killa
"Oh my God!" "That man shot the president"

"Nobody moves, just stay where you are"
"Just hold it right there.."

Yeah, so where's he at? I might wait
for his motherfuckin' ass on a rooftop next tour
Buckin stone cause I'm known to play for keeps
Lay low to the flow and keep it neat
And send his ass home belly up
Should've listened to the facts that the black's been tellin ya
It's no suprise that a brother got wise
Now rat-a-tat-tat, it's an eye for an eye

Cause all I wanna see is motherfucking brains hanging
Another level when it's me and devils gangbanging
So don't be telling me to get the non-violent spirit
Cause when I'm violent is the only time the devils hear it

I'm in it, got to die before we see
the motherfuckers don't give a damn for you or me
So wear a vest on your chest and the rest stand still
For P-Dog the Bush Killa, yeah!

death, as well.
However, I do have some misgivings about Bush being the anti-Christ. Bush isn't popular enough, worldwide, to be the anti-Christ, as I understand it; however, who really KNOWS how popular or unpopular the anti-Christ would be?
As if it weren't bad enough, I am beginning to wonder who will protect us when this Pope is gone (spiritually, I mean) simply because of all the evil we've faced out of Bush and his neocon minions, thus far.

who would fool believers but would really be satan. but you're probably right on the world angle, biblically speaking. i don't see anyone like that out there, but bush fits the bill the mostest.

and appearing to smack his forehead in frustration?

:headbang:
rocknation

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(What language is this???)

Honorable mention:


You're welcome.
:headbang:
rocknation

That in itself is worthy of my respect. He said what most of us were thinking (in one term or another) yet were too afraid to say out loud. :hi:

I did not hear the Pope refer to it though.

The only thing I remember is the audience the rodent was granted before the election. I remember that bush made some kind of stupid comment like ... Well, I think the Pope is a good Catholic" or something to that effect.

:kick:

n/t