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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 04:59 PM
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wow. ALL Catholic ALL the TIME on cable "news"
must be a slow day in the war :eyes:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:01 PM
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1. Judy Woodruff just said CNN is "part of the vigil"
I am so very sorry for DU Catholics who will be in pain, as a matter of fact I peeked into their group to say so, but 24/7 vigil coverage makes me nervous. Who knows what is happening elsewhere while the Terri/Pope watch has been going on.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:13 PM
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15. There's always a major story they beat to death...
I do agree it is a very very important story and I think this is one of the few cases were coverage can't be excesive. I'm not a Catholic, but he is the religios leader of more than a billion people on Earth, including 70% of my country's population and this has a big impact.

He is also the only Pope I have ever known, and so the process of succesion is extremely interesting to me. I really don't mind the coverage, in fact, I was pissed off when CNN continued with TerriTV yesterday afternoon, instead of covering what was happening with the Pope.

And even if the Pope wasn't dying they would find something else to play 24/7. If not Terri Schiavo, then Michael Jackson... and to be honest, I'd rather have the Pope than either of those.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:07 PM
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43. I agree with you, arcos
I'm not Catholic, but I respect the man, and understand this is a huge event within the Catholic religion.

And, also, I've never seen a succcesion fo a pope either.
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glaeken777 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:35 PM
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32. he leads 1 billion Catholics around the world
I can't think of a situation where such coverage could be more appropriate. He has had a significant historical impact on the Catholic Church and world affairs. If you don't like it, well.... if you have digital cable like I do, there's 300+ channels that don't feature the Pope at the moment.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:02 PM
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2. Once every 26 1/2 years, or so, you get a day like that...
:eyes:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:03 PM
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4. I saw no similar vigil for Madalyn Murray O'Hare
(ducking)
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:05 PM
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5. Not the same historical impact
Though I could name a number of important figures that passed with no where near the spectacle of a Pope I do understand the reasons behind it.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:07 PM
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9. Oh I do too
Matcom's Complaint (wasn't that a novel?) is valid though no matter who the figure. News shouldn't play vigil to anyone, even a 15 minute update would be good but it does put everything else on "ignore".
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:05 PM
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7. How many followers did she have
Volume makes news, bay-bee.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:32 PM
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31. and not all of us atheists were huge fans of hers either.
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 05:32 PM by jonnyblitz
without getting into details, she was a "controversial" figure. I didn't care for her and many other atheists didnt. So that narrows her followers down even more. I agree with you about the volume thing and I understand why this is on the news like it is, inspite of my own personal views on it all.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:02 PM
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36. I didn't know much about her
except that she seemed to be perpetually cranky.

I had heard that when she died she didn't want a bunch of "Christers" praying over her. So when she disappeared some said it was expected.

Did it turn out she'd been murdered though? Thought I'd heard that.

I know at least one of her kids found religion.

In a way she reminds me of some of the atheists I knew on the usenet group alt.atheism. They were complaining about the little cross memorials you will see on a roadside where someone died.

When several posters took these posters to task for worrying about a harmless, personal thing that would only turn folks against atheists for arguably good reasons, they countered with by suggesting that setting up these memorials was bad from a road safety standpoint. Because, you know, when you think atheism, you think road safety.

Was she something of a "mountain out of a molehill" person? What was it about her that grated even fellow atheists?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:54 PM
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41. "What was it about her that grated even fellow atheists"
To me it was that she was always hopping mad about something, a la the "Christian" fundies of today. Cranky and petulant. I guess I am more a separation of church and state without alienating the faithful type.

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:03 PM
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42. Ah, in much the way I see lefty freepers that remind me of righty freepers
And I have indeed encountered atheists who struck me as having a similar fundy furvor.

I appreciate your approach. And as a Lutheran, albeit a liberal one, I strive to be sensitive to those who don't share my point of view.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:08 PM
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44. I was raised Lutheran
Truly, the evangelizing efforts of the abrasive fundy cults of today pushed me farther from religion than anything else. Regardless of my differences with the Vatican, his passing does make me sad. I just worry about what Bush is cooking up while this 24/7 coverage is going on, but I needn't worry...they don't care, they are ruining this country in full view :)
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:06 PM
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8. her death was strange
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 05:06 PM by jonnyblitz
the whole missing bodies/murder thing..but I digress...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:07 PM
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10. Very bizarre, yes!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:18 PM
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39. Because she was abducted & murdered!
Her body wasn't found for years. So--no vigil.

However, although my current beliefs tend toward the atheistic side of agnosticism--I didn't regard her as my leader. She lacked charm.

And I wish JuanPablo a peaceful journey....
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:20 PM
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40. As do I
regarding the peaceful journey bit.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:02 PM
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3. I remember when this Pope was appointed
It was much the same. Even though the Catholic Church does not represent a majority of the population the historical continuity of their institution still resonates in our society. Such a condition is notable to the public at large.

That being said the shifting of Popes also carries with it a potential social shift on a large scale. If the new Pope has any drastically different views it will be reflected down through the Catholic faith. And again, while not a majority, such a shift can have a huge impact on your's and my society. We can all only sit, watch, and hope for the best.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:12 PM
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13. About 25% of Americans are Roman Catholic
Something so important to an organization that 1 in 4 Americans belong to is hard to overlook.







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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:14 PM
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17. Indeed n/t
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:15 PM
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18. Very well put... I agree... nt
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:05 PM
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6. These Terri/Pope Vigils are very cheap for cable news to produce
very little research, investigation, etc. just a few talking heads and a camera at the Vatican.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:19 PM
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22. Yep. I bet half the employees at cable TV news left early.
Pretty much on autopilot.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:08 PM
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11. War? There's a war?
What war, where? I thought the only things going on were 'death watches' and celebrity trials.

My mistake.

April Fool. :)

Correction: CNN calls it "watch on the health of..."
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:10 PM
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12. This is a big deal for a huge number of people
so since I don't share it, I'll be reading a book and watching DVDs this weekend and keeping my big mouth shut.

I don't resent it nearly as much as I resent the tabloid garbage and the lying by omission that usually parades as news. Yes, this will be overdone according to my taste, but at least it IS NEWS.

I just wish the blow dried bobbleheads would stop speculating over every little thing. The Vatican will announce the death in their own time. Until then, speculation is highly inappropriate.


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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:13 PM
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14. It does cheapen it, doesn't it?
The blow dried bobbleheads that is. Kind of morbid they way they focus their camera on the Papal apartment as if they are hoping to catch any glimmer of movement or activity.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:13 PM
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16. Well, at least it pushes the Sandy Berger news below the fold. n/t
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johnnyDoc Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:15 PM
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19. While I don't care about the pope at all
he is a pretty influential person in the world
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:18 PM
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20. "Dirty Laundry"
Remember that song? I think it was by Don Henley. It pretty much sums up what the media has become. Why 'waste' money by doing investigative reports, when it is much easier to keep saying the same thing over and over and over and over and...well, you get my point. While I do not deny that this is an important event, there are other important events happening world-wide at this very moment.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:18 PM
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21. You would think 60 million or so Americans were Catholic or something
Wait, they are.

I'm sorry, but this is a huge deal. I drove my girlfriend to church at noon today because of this.

People care.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:21 PM
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23. that's nice of you
so the world has stopped for the day? :eyes:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:24 PM
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27. Do you want more of Hitchens and Buchanan screaming at each other?
Over Terri Schiavo?

It always amazes me that people complain when their desires are not reflected by CNN.

If I ran CNN....midget wrestling.

Then you would have something to complain about.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:37 PM
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33. how about body counts from Iraq?
how about 9/11 WMD (LIE) reports?

how about Tom Delay CORRUPTION

how about SUDAN?

how about THE FUCKING WORLD?

or am i simply asking for too much "information" ? :eyes:
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:17 PM
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38. Maybe it has. And maybe that's not such a bad thing.
Redstone
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:08 PM
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45. Yes
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:22 PM
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24. The Pope is a A HEAD OF STATE! He is an international
Edited on Fri Apr-01-05 05:26 PM by saracat
peacemaker as well as the leader of the worlds oldest Christian religion. His death is always newsworthy as well as are his diplomatic efforts. No other pontiff has done as much for ME peace. What part of news maker don't people get? He was more important to the fall of communism than Regan! and much more important internationally. He deserves recognition!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:23 PM
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25. Have you seen this person?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:24 PM
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26. That is SO wrong!!!!!!
He is pushing 50, not "mid 40's" lol.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:28 PM
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29. LOL!
You got me! :D

Kick for Guckert!

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:28 PM
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28. By the way, cable new is 24/7
In 1978, the Pope's death would have gotten ten minutes with Walter Cronkite and a banner headline in the New York Times. And the rest of the day's news would have gotten the rest of the hour with Walter. And that's it. That's all you got.

Would you be complaining that "One Day at a Time" was distracting people from something?
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:31 PM
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30. yup
10 minutes and a banner would be about right

"General Hospital" was ALWAYS better btw
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:41 PM
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34. Catholics are the largest identifiable Christian sect in the US -
Fundies are a tiny blip compared to Catholics and this admin would like to count Catholics as part of it's "pro-life majority".

It's no wonder why the Repubs and cable news are kissing up to Catholics at this time.
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 05:56 PM
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35. I thought all good DUers discontinued their cable service..nt
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 07:14 PM
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46. And do without Olbermann and John Stewart?
Heaven forfend!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 06:08 PM
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37. Because the media loves nothing more than a deathwatch
i.e., the last two weeks.

i.e., the next few hours.

And then comes the second best-loved media item: the funeral.
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