DU has a Religion and Theology Forum

It would be real nice if people posted the Pope and religous stuff there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=214

if you removed the "Hitler exiting the Church" graphic from your posts. It is offensive and misleading(there were a lot of Catholics who were passionately anti-Nazi, including the future Pope John XXIII, who personally helped many Jews escape the Holocaust.)

On a day when the Pope is at death's door(and I'm not even Catholic myself)using that image is really insensitive.

to take out that cathedral and the guys in the robes.

Too funny.

half of who were Lutheran, rather than the Catholic Church.

Some of the young Germans in the White Rose resistance were Catholics, I believe.

Fight the real enemy-capitalism and greed.

It's not like Leni Reifunstahl gave the Vatican final cut.

What young Germans Catholics have to do with a collaborationist Nazi
church hierarchy is beyond me and lots of them supported Hitler for the
exact reason of opposing godless communism.

Which was the enemy of capitalism and greed at that time.

...And many others were also, at heart, some type of pagan.

I don't claim that there was no Catholic involvement with fascism, but both Hitler and Mussolini ended up suppressing the Church in their empires, and the future John Paul II nearly ended up in Auschwitz.

It's not so simple as "Catholic=Fascist, non-Catholic=AntiFascist."

There were plenty of Americans in the Thirties, for example, who were rabidly pro-fascist and rabidly anti-Catholic.

And your "godless Communists" ended up selling out to Hitler by signing the Molotov-Von Ribbentrop pact of 1939, and helped the fascist cause as well by sabotaging the anti-fascist fight in Spain.

So don't be so smug.

sorry. I was not referring to Stalin but to Germans communists
opposing Hitler's rise.

There is a powerful Catholic fascist movement now
called Opus Dei or so I have read.

Scalia is supposedly a member and they have been gain
power in recent years.

Oh well someone once killed a puppy so why should I care.

Glad you're not a Stalinist.

Although, on anti-fascism in the Thirties, there were also the Social Democrats in Germany and other places that the Communists in Germany and other places refused to join in an anti-fascist alliance until 1935(I.E., until it was too late), and the anarchists and Trotskyist forces in Spain whom the International Brigades spent as much time fighting against as they did the Fascists.

and understand what you are saying.

Glad you're not pro-Opus Dei.

Take care.

It's a complicated world.

That expresses my feelings perfectly.

Seems fair to me... in view of the fact that there is a body of evidence, including writings and direct quotes, that such was NOT the case... that the graphic appears.

Misleading? Everyone knows... at least everyone on DU... that not all Germans were Nazis and many Catholics and non-Catholic Christians ( and, oh yeah, atheists and agnostics) opposed Hitler in Germany.

I suspect the poster's intent is to debunk the "Hitler was an atheist" myth. I suppose he/she can speak for him/herself. Anyway, if that is indeed the intent, I like it.

teasing, here you thanks for sharing, didnt know there was one. cant guarentee it will happen, but this religious stuff will too pass

Just my opinion.

For General Discussion of issues many people are concerned about/ interesting in/ discussing...

What's your point...

So the five-times-a-day threads on purely theological matters don't belong here, now do they?

The Pope dying is not a Political Issue or a religious/ theological issue... it's an issue of General Discussion.

If you have a problem with it, alert the Mods...

simple common sense would suggest that topics here have at least some marginal connection to something at least faintly related to politics, which leaves out the "Is atheism superior or vice versa" circlejerks and the like.

And yes, I do alert the mods when I see divisive, duplicative crap posted here in an attempt to pit Democrats against each other.

By the way, do you have anything intelligent to contribute to this forum, or are you just here to stir the shit as hard as you can and then complain about the stink?

I guess I don't have anything "intelligent" to contribute...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=216x801

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=282x149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=280x124

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2802255

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2532421

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2478183

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2150654

Yeah it ain't much, but it's a start...

I'll go back to the Lounge now, and disrupt you guys no more...

and I look forward to exploring them.

So what do they have to do with whether purely theological/metaphysical issues should clot up a political forum?

Who'd a thunk?

...that GD isn't the place to post religious threads?

There is a GD Politics forum, yet I see political threads here in this GD.

There is a LGBT rights forum, yet I see lots of gay related threads in this GD.

There is a 9/11 forum, yet I see the occasional 9/11 threads in this GD.

And my list could go on.

If you don't like all the religious and Pore threads, then why don't you hide the threads? Isn't that the simple solution?

sees fit.

I believe that organized religon was created to control people, have power and accumulate wealth. Hitler used religion for his own purpose as does the Silverspoon Sociopath and his vile Junta.

The Forum for religious stuff was created for a specific purpose. Why not use it for that purpose?

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I never said word one about your photo. I did however state the obvious, that GD is used for general discussion of ALL topics, not just the ones you participate or have an interest in.

Try starting up a discussion about the I/P conflict and see how long it lasts :)

Violet...

Great point! It doesn't even have to be about I/P anymore! Glad to see you! :hi:

"I believe that organized religon was created to control people, have power and accumulate wealth. Hitler used religion for his own purpose as does the Silverspoon Sociopath and his vile Junta."

You will know them by their works......

:toast:

cha-cha

I don't think discussing his imminent death is any different that talking about Prince Ranier of Monaco, who is also deathly ill, but no one seems to have any interest in him.

I thought the religion and theology forums were to discuss just that and probably the Bible, not history in the making.

bernstien, the greatest of this last century!

One has a church, the other a capital building (or state building, et al). One has a set of beliefs people agree with and agree to adhere to, well ok both do. One has groups of people within it's body that try to get others to see they way, oh wait they both do again.

Hmmm. They both have leaders. They both have documents they try to live by (bible, koran, constitution, etc), they both want peace but often it ends in war somehow (which says more about humans than either religion or political/philosophical belief). They both think their way is the right or best way to get the best results.

So what results do they want? One wants the followers to live a pleasing life to the creator and in doing so all benefit, the other wants us to lead a life which pleases the goals they set as time goes on - both can change over time how they think they should lead their lives for the goal.

Yeah, there are differences - but having been around DU and other political based discussion boards for some time I see more similarities in how people discuss, believe, act, and so on then I have seen differences. From preaching a message through fliers, marches, emails, and so on to convert/change people/things to focusing on one source of problems sometimes (bush/satan).

The church is made up of the same thing the non-church is - us, the human race. Religion is not the problem, politics isn't, the sad psychological state and lack of education on values of love and kindness and openess to others is (to me) the biggest problem.

....the Pope is a Head of State, which also makes him a political figure. Seems to me that alone would qualify his impending death for discussion in GD.

I can't keep up with the ignore button. Popes and Schiavos are popping up like mushrooms.

Why not start a "Where do you cruise" thread or a "Where do you have intercourse" thread or a "Where do you like to read" thread. How about "Who likes gardening!"

Why isn't this stuff in the lounge?

Machine. IMO.

which you don't want to read.

The Pope is dying - if you cannot understand the geo-political relevance in that, then I wonder how you're smart enough to be a Democrat.

Sorry - but this is news - much more so than Schiavo, Jackson, Peterson, and Bush's latest appointment which we cannot stop.

It seems to spawn a great number of post when it's brought up. Current events have dragged it into the General Discussion Page. If you limt posts to certain forums you get limited responses.

LOL

I am a member of the Green Party, the smart people are there. LOL

J/K

OK the Pope is political, I can agree with that. I will conceed on post about him but all those other posts about religious stuff should be posted where they really belong.

Posts about religious stuff keep other posts from gaining attention as they drive those off the page. That is my main complaint.

on the GD Forum. Does Cartman Trump the Pope?

Religion-Pope-Schiavo-Falwell and religion as related to Schiavo (Distraction)-Pope(Figurehead)-Falwell (Opportunist) aren't the most important issues in our lives?

Global Warming
Species Extinction
Long Term Energy Depletion
Militarism
Falluja
Did I mention Falluja
Militarism
No Ozone
Dying Coral Reefs

You must be crazy.
However you are correct.
Bread and Circus

Perhaps you shouldn't be posting here either.

but I'm not religious.

thanks for pointing that out.

I have around 20 religion threads rotting in my hidden threads cellar from the other day.

since this is a very large news story with global implications, there will be necessarily some spillage beyond the religion and theology forums. I think we as progressives need to be tolerant of that.

...it would be real nice if people posted the Hitler stuff there.

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I would attach the caption "Just because you claim to be moral doesn't mean you are" and send it to all the moral-values fundies.

It's appropriate that discussions of the pope be in GD, even if the discussions are about the current one dying. Given his statements about end of life decisions, it will be interesting to see how this man, with access to the best medical care on earth, will handle his own end of life decisions.

Just as Terri Schiavo was news.

If you want to go that route any topic mentioning any religion at all should go in that forum. So many get mentioned here as it is.

This is news and it should be in this forum.

does this mean we should post all the Gay-related stories in the GLBT forum? I mean, since there's a forum for every subject why even have a GD? We can just send people to their individual forums! :eyes:

When you get all the "everything bad that happens must be because of the evil fundies" (all christians to some here)posted there, then let us know.

There are quite a few Greens here. This is the "Democratic Underground, not the Democratic Party Underground. btw, I am not an Athiest but if I were I wouldn't hesitate to say so. I am not a theist of any kind. I am still thinking about what I do believe regarding spirituality and haven't
come to any belief.

I merely feel that this forum shouldn't be cluttered with religious topics when there is a Forum, especially for that.

There is an Atheists and Agnostics forum. And, there are quite a few posts that are not anti-religion.

nt