Freepers Jumping Ship

As many of us who lurk at Freak Republic from time to time know - there have been a torrent of defections there lately from old time, small c conservatives, who are fed up with the theocratic, raging insanities of the religious rightwingers who control the place.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1377493/posts

If this isn't evidence enough that the issue of medical end of life decisions is not an enormous wedge issue which cleaves the Republicans right in half, I don't what is. I know I sound like a broekn record, but there is not another issue which cuts right to the heart and soul of what our party is/should be about. An issue which will drive voters back home to the Democratic party.

I hope the DNC and Howard are on board with this and understand how effective and potent and MORAL this issue is for our side. And I hope they understand fully how it can be used to destroy Republicans in the same manner they tried to to destroy us with gay marriage.

Time to play Hardball. (apologies to Tweety)

is just the right guy to frame this debate and win over that large bloc of voters!

Go Dean Go!

at a fundraiser for our local Dem club.

Enjoy the good Doctor's speech and stuff!

But I'll take a wedge anyway I can get it. What were these people thinking? I hope this is one of those watershed moments in history that turns many away from the gop.

It might just work for 2006.

To: annyokie

The nasty of the '04 sign on's who
I suspect are from DU as threatened,
really need purging.

funny.

Bankruptcy "reform", illegal immigration and W's proposal for gestarbieter status, Schiavo, and now federalism has divided them. If you'll notice, their fundraising drive is sucking wind now. RimJob has successfully alienated many over there. He's forbidden any debate on illegal immigration because of W's position on the issue.

On edit: RimJob demands lock-step opinions on the site, there is no "debate" or even true open discussion. FR is basically a hard right, neo-con echo chamber. If you aren't willing to be in an amen corner, don't bother. I've been banned multiple times for moderate Republican taking points.

as a threat to the nation and that the fundies need to realize that their belief in the writings of one book doesn't give them the right to dictate that the rest of the nation follow their beliefs.

I think I got 50 responses (all haters condemning me to hell) within 3 minutes of that post and was banned by the end of the day.

angle is great, but I think I can see both sides of the argument.

A lot of the opposition wasn't about Schiavo's rights, but was all about doubts and distrust of Michael Schiavo. A lot of people thought he wasn't entirely truthful concerning what Terri's wishes were. His having moved on and had two kids didn't help him in he devoted husband department, either.

The eleventh hour appeals were the same as finding new evidence that might exonerate a death row inmate. At least it was seen that way by some people.

I certainly hope someone responds to this post. I get a lot of silence here, and don't know if it's approval or raised eyebrows as people turn and walk away...

Terri chose her husband to make those decisions under codified law and the law held up her decision and the marital contract. The law respected her decision to place him as her spokesman. The courts honored that.

but a lot of the people opposed to him making the decision used conflict of interest as their reasoning. The new common law wife and two kids are a motive.

Personally, I saw that the case was litigated a lot, but little in the way of new evidence was ever allowed. Whatever Greer said was basically just rubber stamped by the subsequent judges, IMO.

That's NOT a de novo (sP) review. :thumbsdown:

Over 24 judges ruled on points of law. Repeatedly, it was shown that Michael fulfilled the role of a caring and competent guardian. If you think I will blame a young man for finding a new life many years after his wife ceased functioning, you are wrong. Terri, in my belief would have not chosen that for Michael. He had the guts to see his wifes wishes were met. I respect him 100% and loathe either the GOP or the democrats in placing federal laws into private family matters.

What do you call the broad he had the two kids with? He called her his 'fiance'. Indicates he had pending plans...

married.

A common law marriage comes about when a man and woman who are free to marry agree to live together as husband and wife without the formal ceremony. to be common law married, both spouses must have intended to be husband and wife
http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/gloss.htm#sectC

The conditions for a common law marriage were not met. They are NOT common law married.

A common law marriage is a legally binding marriage. Laws regarding common law marriages vary from state to state. However, when a person is common law married in one state it is a legal marriage in all US states.

A common law marriage is not a "catch phrase" but a legally binding union.


edit: clarity

people knew what I meant. Now, Terri's gone and Michael can live in wedded bliss again. :loveya:

No matter what a person position on this, spreading untruths is not going to further their cause. That's the difference between an intelligent debate and an unsubstantiated argument.

I don't "call" her anything, and neither should you. She has stood by Michael throughout this ordeal, including his trial by media and being slandered by the likes of Tom "slithering snake" DeLay -- who, by the way, should be drummed out of the house for that and other transgressions.

Quite apart from the fact that Terri's parents encouraged Michael to start dating again -- that was when they still got on with him -- he was a young man and his wife was never going to recover. Just how long would be "long enough" for him to wait, in your opinion? 3 years? 7 years? 15 years? or should he have spent the rest of his life celibate and tending to the shell that was once Terri?

Oh never mind. Your posts on this topic already say enough. Just continue to be judgmental. May you never have to deal with such a tragedy. But you might try to find a little more empathy with your fellow human beings.

aren't you being a bit judgemental of me?

I really didin't base my posts on anything Tom Delay said. Am I being thrown into a leaky pro-life raft with him?

...but I am objecting to your calling Michael Schiavo's fiancee "the broad he had two kids with."

If you can't see why that's objectionable, I don't really know what to say.

As for throwing you into a "leaky pro-life raft" (*) with Tom DeLay, no, I make no such assumption. What you said irked me a little, that's all. What Tom DeLay did is unconscionable and he is lower than the underside of a slime mold.

(*) Great phrase, BTW... ;-)

I'd call that woman exceptionally patient and understanding of Michael's primary responsibility to Terri.

What a puritanical and totally unecessary slam to someone totally on the sidelines of a manufactured sideshow. :thumbsdown:

"What do you call the broad he had the two kids with?" I don't know what I call "the broad" (other than supportive, patient, and loving) but I call you ignorant! What a dumbass thing to say!

Jenn

edited to add clarification

'puter had hiccups.

Jenn

Do you know where I can find a list of these 24 judges?

I've heard Greer, and 9 on SP court and 3 in Atlanta. Where are these 24 judges? :)

said they wouldn't review it en banc. Which, come to think of it, rubber stamping a previous decision isn't a review.

that was drumbeated by the media. In fact, Michaels new wife often assisted in the care of Terri, she knew the situation Michael was in before they ever became a couple... (at the pressing of the parents I might add). The simple fact was that he DID NOT persue abiding Terri's wishes until AFTER he had exhausted ALL RATIONAL MEANS of therapy and rehabilitation. TWO YEARS after doctors told him that since Terri had not responded to treatments, and showed NO improvement after 7 years of treatment, that he acted to fulfill Terri's wishes.

to be able to choose that which is right for yourself.

And it's about the Republicans advocating Big Government reaching into a family's most private moments and trying to make the decision for them.

Forget the Schiavo case, the particulars of it dont' matter. What matters is the concept that the Democrats are the party that will fight to make sure that government is NOT involved in private family end of life medical decisions and Republicans are the party that wants Big Nanny Government to be able to forcibly legislate it for you.

and overrule any states rights. They want Taliban theocracy and they are heading for it.

the party needs. I think few people realized that dehydration was the only option in all but Oregon, and Bush wants to repeal the Death With Dignity law there.

This country needs euthanasia laws, and clear guidelines concerning what's done in cases with no written directive. But you'll still get government, even with a guardian ad litem. The bottom line will be cost cutting, so some may be 'put to death' prematurely or unnecessarily.

There's an interesting angle here. Wouldn't the Freepers freep if they were reminded that without gay rights, 'homos' might linger in nursing homes for years spreading "the AIDS!"

That would get their attention!

We starve people but allow our animals to go peacefully to sleep. There is something wrong here.

I'm a big advocate of self directed dying.

He is just not going to post at freeperville any more and perhaps become an independent.

"a tale "Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, / Signifying nothing."

They normally are pretty close to full by this point. With all the Schaivo traffic, one would think they wouldn't be having problems paying RimJob.

Really, how many of them are underpaid or losing their jobs? I have little sympathy considering their vote, but it is likely a fact.

Most of the posts on there just scream "racist trailer-trash KKK member."

They still haven't had a problem raising money before.

if the religionists start trying to "control the place" and the admins back them up.

If you want to get banned here, you have to work at it - or be a five post newbie posting Ann Coulter talking points.

FR has basically become a theocracy and that's why these people are leaving. RimJob has screwed up badly.

Here, you can frankly be a Blue Dog democrat and hang out in the Gungeon and no one's going to do anything to you.

...they would just kill you dead...

And did you see that horse shit with Chimpy and Pickles "Pro-Life" and "Commitment?" How about "Pro-War and "Husband and Stepford Wife"

Oh, and Yes, the Kerrys are so PRO-ABORTION!

:sarcasm:

The word is "choice" a-holes, and as far as I can see, the Kerrys are still married so "Annulment" doesn't apply. Not that annulment is a crime, anyhow.

It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where you can spin Shrub and Pickles into Mr. and Mrs. America, the world's most perfect couple.

Yeesh.

Give me the Kerrys ANY DAY.

as much as the utter uselessness of the website. It's impossible to make any sense of the confused layout or navigate at all. It's a sad mess. The RW nazi discussion just adds to the lameness of it.

It's truly a fitting monument to conservative thinking. :eyes:

I don´t understand these people :shrug:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1351800/posts?page=1,50

She and about 4 others that held pretty close to the general FR principles recognized that the Schindlers and their camp followers were probably full of sh*t regarding Terri's current "awareness". They also criticized the "video" and most of the "professionals" that the media used to argue Terri was aware and kicking.

When they went on to say that the Schindler's lost any credibilty when they hire Randall Terry as a spokesperson that pretty much lowered the boom.

It was no secret that that was the *only* few seconds of her appearing to show any response to anything.

How mature of them. NOT. (Or do regular posters get to attach keywords to threads there?)

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outside observers can graze from, feeding off the juiciest remarks that point out apathy, ignorance, stupidity or other?

Say it isn't so!

:sarcasm:

These people have SOME NERVE still trying to control the debate and move the party to the right in their OWN selfish interests. After the progressives and activists of this party banded together in unprecedented strength and force this last election, they BLAME THE DEFEAT ON US!

Then they tell Howard "do no harm".

HOWARD: YOU are the chairman. Tell the DLC to GO TO HELL. SET policy, TAKE the party by the horns. LEAD THE PROGRESSIVES, AS ONLY YOU CAN DO.