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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:23 PM
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How can the Church be anti-homosexual...
when so much of what's great about the Vatican is the result of great homosexuals? Michelangelo, da Vinci...the list goes on!
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hippiepunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:25 PM
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1. They were gay?
Since when?
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:25 PM
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2. Since forever.
:)
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:27 PM
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9. Since you never learned about it in your white-washed history
courses.

And so was Walt Whitman, Langston Hughes, and a good portion of the artists and writers throughout history.
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hippiepunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:29 PM
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13. damn it was censored
shit I didnt know that...
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:48 PM
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27. I did know that Whitman was gay--but Hughes?
They didn't teach us that in the Harlem Renaissance lecture! :P
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:49 PM
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28. No...not the Harlem Renaissance! Anything but that!
I love the music, but the way grade after grade of school just continually bastardized it was too much!
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:26 PM
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3. Not to mention Raphael
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 09:26 PM by theHandpuppet
If they insist on being so virulently anti-gay, then on principle I think they should sell all of the incredible Vatican treasures created by homosexual artists and distribute the money to the poor.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:26 PM
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6. Agreed.
Bye-bye Sistine Chapel. :hi:
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hippiepunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:27 PM
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8. wow I had no idea so
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 09:28 PM by hippiepunk
many artists were gay.... and the church will deny it rather than sell stuff.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:26 PM
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4. Placebo, didn't you hear, they're getting Earl to do a paint over.
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 09:27 PM by autorank

Bout time! Then he can
spray paint those statues
with breasts at DOB. Sistine
Chapel comes first!
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:27 PM
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10. ...
ha

Ha

HA

HA

HA!!!

:D
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:31 PM
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14. They can get Thomas Kincade to repaint the Sistine Chapel, too
Seriously, I wonder what the Vatican treasury would look like if all the incredible art, murals and sculpture created by gay artists were removed.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:35 PM
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18. like this:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:45 PM
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25. Oh, my heart's a quiver, Thomas Kincade...he's the best since
that great guy from the 60's, Keane (sic?) who painted the hippie chicks with big eyes.

Clear out all that so-called art in the Vatican and go wall to wall with Kincades and Keane's:

This Kincade is called "DEATH."

Wow, get the imagery, you "cross over" to "the other side" and it B nice over there. Your very own for $10,000. Priceless.

This is Keane, sheeple with big eyes.

Hey, wait a minute, that's some guy from oasis!
Looks like a Keane.

I think we've got a movement here. Straight art, none of that ambidextrous stuff.

And here's a piece painted by the last national leader to seriously attempt to censor art. A. Hitler
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:26 PM
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5. Oh, it goes waaaaay back.
To Ruth and Naomi. And David and Jonathan.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:33 PM
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17. David and Jonathan I believe.
Ruth and Naomi?

Ruth was Naomi's daughter-in-law, fer chrissakes!
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:44 PM
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23. Maybe you're right. Didn't men marry their dead brother's wives back then?
Really good book, BTW.



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/188636009X/qid=1112755406/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-1031568-0983325?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:16 PM
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30. Yup. They sure did.
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 10:16 PM by mcscajun
Lots of verrrrrrrrrrry interesting stuff in The Bible. When I was a kid I used to skip to all the 'good parts'. :evilgrin:

Don't read it much, anymore. At All.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 11:32 PM
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32. Well, I suppose that's better than marrying their dead brother.
:shrug:
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:27 PM
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7. Because 90% of religion is tribal beliefs passed down as dogma. nt
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:40 PM
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21. self-delete
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 09:41 PM by Fridays Child
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BBradley Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:28 PM
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12. Anyone who ever did anything of any good and importance was homosexual!
:sarcasm:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:31 PM
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15. wow, sounds just like something a pissed off freeper might post
but then we know you're not that, don't we
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:32 PM
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16. Here we go again
I was waiting for that kind of comment to show up.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:36 PM
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19. It's just too much gayness for them to handle
Why don't them damn people just stfu. The love that dares not speak it's name has become the love that won't shut up. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

I know I'm missing a couple of gems of fundie rhetoric. Help me out.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:37 PM
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20. Thank God For AIDS
:eyes:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:42 PM
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22. We who support GLBT rights are not the ones who have made their...
...sexual orientation an issue. But, because it has been made an issue by others, it's appropriate to call their attention to the many contributions of lesbians and gays throughout history.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:57 PM
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29. Actually, our lives are so hidden and our history is so
thoroughly blacked out that the unearthing of queer history is a real emotional event for many GLBT people. What is closeted is eventually thrown out of the closet for good when we die by relatives who burn our photo albums and histories and 'for decency's sake.'

It takes a lot of make sure our legacies don't die with us.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 10:36 PM
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31. I hear you.
:hug:
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:44 PM
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24. How about the priests? They usually have a couple of little boys
in their past at least.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:46 PM
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26. Maybe homosexuality is meant only for the chosen ones
Not for the peasants of the world.
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