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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:33 PM
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Why does this statement by Bush about the Pope bug me?
''We look forward to the majesty of celebrating such a significant human life."

He said it today at a press conference. I don't know why it bugs me. I can't quite put my finger on it. I don't even know if it should bug me.
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hippiepunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:34 PM
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1. The word "majesty"
Its not right..... I don't know why either.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:06 PM
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30. LOL! You Must Be
an anti-monarchist, that's all. :)
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:37 PM
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2. because "majesty of celebrating" is a really stupid phrase?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:04 PM
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27. Yeah, I see your point.
Sort of like "time to pull out the real expensive brew!"
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:37 PM
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3. Because he's a disingenious.....
lying fascist ?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:38 PM
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5. Yep
That'd be my choice. We all know he could care less about the Pope or any religious leader unless they were pumping him up.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:00 PM
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22. Ding, ding, ding! My "George" I think you got it! :)
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:38 PM
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4. I don't think there's anything
"majestic" about the death of what he dubs a "significant" person.

Many of us are glad he's gone to his rest and is no longer in pain, but it's still death, and death is painful for many people, especially the death of someone as notable as JPII, a spiritual leader for many.
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:40 PM
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6. Watch the string of words. Grammatically, the majesty is an aspect
of the celebration.




It's still a meaningless phrase. Chimpy might as well have said "bigness of the big event" instead of "majesty of the celebration".
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:49 PM
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15. Sorry, I worded that wrong.
What I meant to say is that even though you can celebrate a life, "majesty" implies a positive experience, and since this celebration of life comes following a death, I'm not too sure anyone looks forward to it, as he says.

I'm picking at straws, I know, but I know the disdain he has for Catholicism and it makes me all angry again, this farce that he's acting out.
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:41 PM
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37. Maybe Shrub unconsciously made an allusion to being happy over
the Pope's passing.


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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:42 PM
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38. It wouldn't surprise me.
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:42 PM by deadparrot
He's too mindless to realize what he's saying.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:52 PM
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17. That's how I took it, too. ..
"bigness of the event".

The word majesty bugged me...odd phrasing if you ask me.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:05 PM
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28. Question on the Pope
I'm not Catholic so I don't know what all they call him but do they call him majesty? I know people call him Holy Father out of respect on his position in the Catholic church but I've never, personally, heard anybody call him majesty. He's not a king or anything. :shrug:
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:39 PM
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36. The proper etiquette is here.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:25 PM
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40. I am Catholic and can assure you the Pope is never called Majesty
He is called the Holy Father, His Holiness, the Pope, but not Majesty.



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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:38 PM
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35. Yeah, I think he's just trying to sound wise and regal. And failing. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:41 PM
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7. It sounds as if those words were put in W's mouth.
There's an almost global perception of him as an idiot pseudo-cowboy for whom even basic declarative sentences are insurmountably difficult. The words ring hollow, like the stilted politeness small children have been instructed to exhibit for their parents' elitist guests.

Also there's an underlying hypocrisy to consider in an American president, flush with oil money for generations, "honoring" a Pope for his "majesty" and "significance" when the Pope is supposed to be Christ's vicar on earth, a representative of a young Galilean, whose ministry's most visible aspect was poverty -- not "majesty" -- and helping the poor, the disenfranchised, the alienated, the alone, and the desperate.

Bush just can't stand next to that model and look real.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:42 PM
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8. "Human" life. As opposed to...primate? Sounds awkward.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:42 PM
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9. The word majesty is a noun
The sentence (I believe) is grammatically incorrect.
It really doesn't make any sense when you take it apart--just some words thrown together.
However, using the words majesty and celebrating on the way to funeral does seem a tad inappropriate as well.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:45 PM
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12. it certainly does need editing ...
I'll bet they wish they could correct what comes out of his mouth, before it reaches people's ears. The Time-Delayed President?
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:53 PM
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Right, they always try to correct it afterwards.
Trot out some nimrod to 'splain what he REALLY meant.
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:43 PM
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10. Because * is entirely un-magestic?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 05:43 PM by dave123williams
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:45 PM
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11. George always did like to party
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:48 PM
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13. let me try and see if i can figure out why the statement bugs you.
1. Is it possible that the word "majesty" in this phrase is out of place and out of context?

2. Bush may have been taken in by the radical difference between the world he saw at the vatican and his world of picking brush and zero intellectualism at his texas ranch.

3. Is it that in trying to use POETIC LANGUAGE, THE LANGUAGE PREFERRED BY THE POPE AS RELATED TO PAULA ZAHN BY ONE OF THE MONSIGNORS WHO KNEW THE POPE, Bush was trying to upstage the dead POPE and made a poor showing of it?

4. Is it that in referring to his looking forward to the MAJESTIC CELEBRATION OF SUCH A SIGNIFICANT HUMAN LIFE bush is actually making himself BIGGER THAN the POPE and making the POPE and life diminutive and unimportant ... BECAUSE there is no sense of humility in Bush's statement ... but rather it feels as if A SUPREME BEING (BUSH) is elevating one (THE POPE) who is LESS than he (Bush) is.

I suppose the possibilities are many ... but these are some of the things that come up for me reading your post... through his statement bush is not only upstaging the Pope but he has blown himself to be bigger in stature and significance than the Pope and is being benevolent towards the pope in recognizing the SIGNIFICANCE of the Pope's life.

x(
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:53 PM
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19. In the sense of your 4th point ...
... Chimperor Codpiece can't avoid sounding condescending. Whether presenting a Medal of Honor (in which he has almost no part in awarding) or mouthing some fain praise, Caesar Disgustsus is always elevating himself and condescending twards the honoree.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:49 PM
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14. The one I hated from dumbass was "The Pope didn't like War."
Like it was a character flaw or something.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:50 PM
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16. It's the "human life" meme ... like a zygote or appendix or tonsils.
I'd not quibble with "the life of a great human being." But I quibble with both "human life" and "significant." As a Mathematics (undergrad) major, I know that "significant" means something far, far less than "great" or "large" ... and covers the smallest visible degree of accuracy. In fact, I personally use the words "significant" and "remarkable" when I want to condemn with faint praise. (After all, if I make a remark about something then it's 'remarkable' by definition.)
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:53 PM
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18. As usual he screwed up the script. Here, he's saying he'll love the party
when in fact you would expect to say it is an honor to celebrate the life of that significant primate. He does so little right that this is really no surprise, but still, nice catch.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:57 PM
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20. I would say because he has yet to attend the funeral of ONE soldier
anything he says about "celebrating a human life" bugs me.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:59 PM
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21. * seems to 'look forward' to everything.
Taken in context with previous "look forwards', it means he's saying something because he has to, not because he wants to. Example: "we look forward to working with the 9/11 commission" which he was against. "We look forward to working with the Democrats in a bi-partisan way" which he does not.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:00 PM
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23. it bugs you because it makes no sense.....just like the man who
spoke the words
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:08 PM
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31. Not only does it make no sense,
but you know it's a lie.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:01 PM
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24. Maybe, 'cause his narcissism is showing through, again.
His celebration is "majestic" while the Pope's life was merely "significant". He's holding his life as something higher, more valuable than the Pope's life.

It doesn't bug me much since it's consistent with his extremely self-centered personality.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:02 PM
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25. What is THAT supposed to mean?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:03 PM by Spider Jerusalem
"We look forward to the majesty..."???

Translation: "This is really impressive, because it's taking place in an old and beautiful bulding with lots of pageantry and ritual and many famous and powerful people will be there, so I get to look impressive by association." That's what I get out of it, anyway.

Saying "we look forward to the majesty of the occasion" sounds like a really crass thing to say in relation to anyone's death, if you ask me...all that money and all those fine schools, and Junior is STILL utterly lacking in any modicum of class and breeding.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:02 PM
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26. "human life" set off my "pro-birth detector."
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:08 PM
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32. You Mean "Forced-Birth"?
Because that's what the RW is about, FORCING women to give birth.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:05 PM
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29. It's just another sign to the world
That this man is a complete moron.
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:10 PM
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33. Sounds like they're throwing a big party.
A Skull and Bones anti-funeral or something.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:10 PM
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34. The word that bugs me is 'significant'.
That implies that some human life is insignificant.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:52 PM
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39. Cause any time he can
he is pushing his 'pro-life' hypocrisy line. x(
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