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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:43 PM
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Capitol Gang did a whole segment on Novak's conversion to Catholicism
I used to watch that show! How is it that a pundit's religion became a worthy topic for a political show?

IRONICALLY, he says he was initially motivated because his other church was too POLITICAL.:banghead:

*this part of the Capitol Gang segment was a clip from Woodruff's show.
NOVAK: I was kind of feeling a spiritual need all those years. My wife Geraldine and I went to an Episcopalian Church for a while. Oh, it just seemed very political to me that a guy so liberal was talking about opposing the war in Vietnam and I didn't want to hear that when I went to church. I wanted something spiritual.

WOODRUFF: Then in the early '90s, the Novak's discovered St. Patrick's Catholic parish. They started attending services every Sunday.

NOVAK: I liked them very much because they were about God and redemption and we're all sinners but there is forgiveness and there was almost never anything political.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0504/09/cg.01.html

Woolcott's report gives the brain a jumping-off point:

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The Capital Gang went full metal Catholic in this week's edition, using the Pope's death as an altar to celebrate Novak's Catholic conversion as the fellow panelists reminisced about the great day he received his first communion. The centerpiece of the show was a segment devoted to Novak's embrace of the cross, tracing his spiritual development through a visual montage that showed a young Jewish boy from the Midwest evolving into a political reporter aging into a smug man in a banker's vest staring thoughtfully at church statuary and appearing on Crossfire with ashes smudged on his angry brow. He was even interviewed by Judy Woodruff (Hunt's wife) about his newfound faith! It was bad enough when pundits started fancying themselves as political players, now we're supposed to take them seriously as religious pilgrims too. (The only portion of the show that rang metaphorically true were the glimpses of Novak walking down the aisle between rows of empty pews, because the arid, conservative, high-horse Catholicism that he and O'Beirne espouse is doomed to play to empty houses.) The footage and the testimonials afterwards from Hunt and company treated Novak's conversion and Holy Communion as if it were a major event in the journalistic-political life of Washington, one of those inspirational moments that brought together people of different faiths and political persuasions who put aside their differences and agree on one incontrovertible thing: Bob Novak is one swelluva guy.

Although Hunt joked about Bob not signing on to the "Blessed are the poor" part of the Bible and Dionne facetiously said he now was hoping for a political conversion as well, the truth as any CNN viewer knows is that Novak's Catholic conversion has made him no more compassionate to the poor, weak, and infirm, no less smarmy and reputation-slurring than he was as a young punk sneering at Commie-symps and rummaging Martin Luther King. Catholicism has just provided him with a church organ for his natural pomposity.

I wonder how much airtime CNN or any other cable outfit would give to one of its correspondents who converted to Islam or Buddhism, or, sacre bleu, renounced religion and declared him or herself an atheist. I have a feeling that in the latter case they wouldn't dispatch a camera crew to the New York Historical Society to film the correspondent studying reverently the texts of the Thomas Paine: Patriot and Provocateur exhibit currently on view.* No, the personalization of on-air talent only goes so far.

Professions of faith from anchors, pundits, and reporters are just another way for them to talk about themselves--indulge their group narcissism--while genuflecting to authority. I guess they feel that since they're already on their knees to the powerful entrenched, what the hey, they might as well take communion. Jeff Gannon ought to enter the priesthood, that way he'd have all the bases covered.

http://jameswolcott.com/archives/2005/04/signs_of_the_cr.php
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:45 PM
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1. I wonder if he's gone to confession over the leaking of a CIA agent's name
His deliberate actions put a woman's life in danger.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:46 PM
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2. I just posted about that on an earlier thread
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:48 PM
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3. Wolcott has a way with words
I love reading his stuff...

The centerpiece of the show was a segment devoted to Novak's embrace of the cross, tracing his spiritual development through a visual montage that showed a young Jewish boy from the Midwest evolving into a political reporter aging into a smug man in a banker's vest staring thoughtfully at church statuary and appearing on Crossfire with ashes smudged on his angry brow.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:49 PM
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4. What is the penance for treason, Bob? n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:52 PM
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5. Bob Novak betrayed his country. He shouldn't even be on CNN.
What a fucking joke CNN is. I like a couple of people on the panel, Shields and the WSJ guy, but in general it's still CNN. Yuck!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:55 PM
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7. Even they participated in this perversion of political discussion
I like them too but not one said anything like "why the HELL are we talking about THIS?" Can they really not be aware of Theocracy Creep?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:01 PM
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8. Really, will someone just say "the emperor has no clothes"?
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:41 PM
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16. What about Margaret Carlson?
I almost turned it off last night because she wasn't on.


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:25 PM
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18. She's actually been openly contemptuous of Novak since Plame
Really derisive and made comments about it in an indirect but extremely obvious way. They probably did her a favor by not making her endure the phony 'love it.'

PS. Your BBQ site is great! :hi:
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:32 PM
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19. Thanks for the compliment
GWB Philosophy: Build a man a fire, he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:41 PM
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20. LOL!!! Just like the movie "Man on Fire"
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:06 PM
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21. Honestly the only reason I watch that show
is for Margaret Carlson. She's the only one on our side who hasn't sold out.

I've never been an intellectual, but I have this look.


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:54 PM
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6. I think Novak is one of the producers.
I'd look it up, but gotta go.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:04 PM
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9. Cnn is using its airwaves for propaganda purposes to rehabilitate
Bob Novak. That is an executive leadership decision that was poor and on public display while utilizing the airwaves of the people. Bob Novak is a traitor and cnn is complicit in this by keeping him on the active duty roster until a full investigation is complete. Novak should have been off camera until the case is completed... :rant:

Alas, cnn not trustworthy on anything important.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:07 PM
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10. Oh.
So an Episcopalian who opposes Vietnam is too political and too hypocritical, but a preacher who says that we are all sinners and we just need God to forgive us, but do not need to make amends with the people we have wronged is so spiritual. :eyes: Robert Novak's definition of spirituality scares me. Of course, his definition of anything scares me.
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:09 PM
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11. Not only did he convert to Catholicism,
he is a member of Opus Dei.

Considering other members include Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Robert Bork, Rick Santorum, Sam Brownback, John M. Poindexter and Lawrence Kudlow, I guess its really no surprise.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:37 PM
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15. Extremist freaks
That's a very scary list of members for a very scary organization that IMHO, is NOT Catholic.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:23 PM
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22. Don't forget Louis Freeh and Robert Hansen, spy extraordinaire! n/t
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biscotti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:14 PM
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12. What is wrong with these people
Woodruff and Novak make me want to hurl. I think they forgot that they are employed on a "news" station. It is truly disgusting what has become of CNN. Capital gang was too far over the top for me after 5 minutes. Ridiculous.
Wolcott's, great analysis.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:25 PM
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13. I saw that show, I think most, if not all, of the panel was Catholic
And the first thing I wondered is "why?" Why they were showing this particular bit of fluff? The inspiring story of a lad born to nonreligious Jewish parents, who married and attended Episcopalian church, which he found too "political" (he meant liberal, gee, Poppy Bush never minded them...) and then -- ta daaa! -- finds Roman Catholicism and all his questions and needs are answered.

Was it the death of the Pope that motivated this bit of tape? Probably. But there's gotta be MORE. Was this an effort to tack weld Novak to the Pope, so that he would garner a bit more sympathy in the event that his true role in Plame is eventually revealed? Sounds plausible to me. Sounds, dare I say, LIKELY.

That dude is ex-smoker style RC. You know how the ex-smokers are the most fervent, Carrie Nation types? He is fiendishly Catholic, not like the average American cafeteria Catholic. He's not typical. He misses the bit about forgiveness, kindness, love, salvation, and so forth. Maybe he needs a refresher CCD course....
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:31 PM
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14. That reminded me
Poppy's not the only bush the Episcopalians let in...



U.S. President Bush, center, first lady Laura Bush, left, and Rev. Luis Leon walk out after morning services at St. John's Church Sunday, April 3, 2005 in Washington. President Bush attended church at St. John's Episcopal Church near the White House on Sunday, where worshippers remembered Pope John Paul II. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:01 PM
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17. Saw the segment earlier on "Inside Politics" -- it's a puker --
how Godly, exposing a CIA agent, probably leading to the deaths of others in the field.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:49 PM
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23. When you combine that CapGang homage to Novak
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 04:51 PM by Tactical Progressive
with Leslie Blitzer's denigrating Paul Begala's faith credentials, you get the full picture of what CNN is like.

Bob Novak was apparently Jewish for most of his almost octogenarian life, having converted to Catholicism within just the last five years or so. Paul Begala, in contrast, has been a Catholic his whole life. Blitzer's comment: he "knows" Bob Novak is a devout Catholic and impugns Begala as not being one.

CNN's snide hypocrisy is amazing in it's contempt for Begala. And just the lavish promotion alone of one of their own converting from Judaism to Christianity itself I find out of place as well.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:49 PM
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24. It was fascinating to find out how many pundits are Catholic
Begala, Russert, Matthews, O'Reilly, all the talking heads on Capital Gang, and many more I can't think of right now - it seems like an abnormal amount of pundits are Catholic. Is there some sort of old boys network that keeps them all the same gender, race, and religion?

It does answer a lot of questions though. For instance, why they all are so socially conservative and why we have had to endure the Popefest for the last three weeks.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 04:58 PM
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25. hmm... something's amiss here:
NOVAK: I liked them very much because they were about God and redemption and we're all sinners but there is forgiveness and there was almost never anything political.

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Never anything political? Were they preaching from the Bible?

Sorry, this is one of my personal gripes. The Gospel is, by its very nature, offensive to the political status quo. Jesus spoke of our collective responsibility to care for the poor, to care for the sick, to help those who suffer.... He especially spoke in sharp criticism of those who held power but did nothing for the lowest members of society.

Maybe Bob found a place to be comfortable. But as the old saying goes (about preaching): "afflict the comfortable, and comfort the afflicted."
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:02 PM
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26. Message: Catholic = Conservative Republican
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 05:02 PM by Stirk
They don't even try to hide that shit.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:38 PM
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28. yup... liberal Catholicism is being stifled...
no air time... no PR .... no nothing...
it is absolutely galling.
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:25 PM
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27. That Novak segment was a rerun from last week
CNN was so proud of it that they ran it twice (at least). I saw it the first time during the pope-a-rama, and was nauseated. Yesterday, I happened to get the teaser on CapGang and turned the channel.

I cant believe that kind of programming this day and age. What happened the last two weeks??? Did half of Blue America convert too???
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