End Game: *BUSH is FINISHED. The Script from "Management"

END GAME

"THE PINCER MOVE"
"Management" is upset at the free fall facing the American economy and the dollar. Bush must go. The two opening moves will be:
a) Indictment of Tommy Boy DeLay by Austin, TX DA Ronald Earle. Earle has been researching this case and has had enough to charge Tommy boy for a while. The churn on the delay scandal de jour is laying the ground work. This is "management's" opening salvo...a takedown of the toughest, nastiest republican conservative on the block. Delay represents the rabid bigoted right, the nasty element among an otherwise fine small business community ($4.0 million a year or less in revenues) who think they're smart because they got rich while everybody else got rich. DeLay also represents, more visibly, the fundy right.
Down goes delay. He won't know what's hit him but he will fight hard alienating the American public.
b) Indictment of at least one very close, senior (current or former) Cheney WH aid. It will be a neocon and the charge will be at least perjury. This lays the crime at the door of the WH, Cheney in particular, and it lets "management" get rid of cheney, who went to the neocon dark side. Watch CM (corporate media) just go crazy on this one. People will talk about a renaissance of investigative reporting. In reality, the press will just feed the management created story, in this case, based on facts to the public in a form and at a pace designed for maximum impact. Calls will be made for Cheney’s resignation, particularly in view of the back peddling Halliburton is doing on over charges in Iraq. We’ll find some connection between Halliburton and loss of American life and Cheney will go.
“STEALING POWER…AGAIN”
c) "Management" will put forth a VP nominee who is a consensus pick, e.g., Powell. * will be forced to take him but think he's saved by the move.
d) Now Bush is all alone. Andy card will be the new Alexander Haig. He’s well connected to "management" and northeast and national mega money. He’ll deliver the message to bush that it's time to go. Bush will go under the guise of an illness, which will encourage wild speculation including but not limited to a mental break.
d) Once this is in motion, Bush having been resigned, "management" will have their candidate move into the presidency.
“THE FURY OF THE PEOPLE”
...however...there are some real snags. The latent fury in this country over betrayal by Bush will outpace "management's" little passion play. The real press and real people will break the election fraud story in a way that can't be ignored. When Mr. Consensus President is in the wings, the entire credibility of BushCo and "management's" consensus VP to president deal will come undone.
At that point, it's anybody's guess...

as well. stocked up on popcorn

I like pizza and coke. :) If this is right then I want a front row seat.

"Management" has to thinkn about the whole thing going up in smoke on this one. Bush doesn't have such a great track record of dominating countries once he invades. We'll see how smart management is. To let him invade would not be smart.

the all volunteer Army (recruitment down 25% or more) and they're looking at a draft (with the instant anti-draft movement across America) just to replenish forces. I sure hope that there are people smart enough in the Pentagon (not the political clowns but the mid level staff and analysts) to realize that this move might just set off much of Latin America against us. Venezuela isn't Panama or Greneda. This is not to mention the economic disruption if the Venezuelans decide to torch their facilities as a last ditch effort. This would be a huge gamble.

Blow up something, bring back that good 'ol 9-11 patriotism, and watch the young ones sign up to go kill some foreigner.

fourteen military installations in Iraq will be used to bomb the living piss out of most all of the Middle Eastern counties. The draft will then be enacted and the military occupation will begin.

I hope we're wrong my friend and the thread starter is right.

Firstly, the GOP know that A DRAFT WOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER get them elected EVER AGAIN. AND THEY KNOW IT!!!!! This would be the straw that would break the camels back. America is not at 1968, IT'S 2005. You CAN'T have a draft with 44% approval rating like Hitler has.

Secondly, The Democrats HAVE ALREADY FIGURED OUT THAT THIS REGIME STARTS WARS TO MAKE MONEY OR GET OIL. (Please think realistically before you respond). THEY ARE NOT STUPID.

Thirdly, the evidence for VOTERGATE has already been collected and the regime WILL NOT survive that scandal. No way in hell. Not with the Ukraine having a re-vote. The American people (once everything comes out into the open and they know) WILL NOT allow our election to be stolen.

Forthly, THER ARE ALOT OF OTHER SCANDALS that have yet to be completed and the REGIME is RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE CRIMES AS WELL.


THIS REGIME WILL NOT STAY IN POWER. THERE ARE TO MANY SCANDALS OF UNBELIEVABLE PROPORTIONS.

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
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It's good to read this stated as fact.

is Bush, Cheney and his whole administration are taking orders from SOMEBODY. Who? That's the question. If these people think they will lose a lot of money and they are helping the neocons with their agenda by however they're doing it and they think it won't be good for business to attack these two countries and Bush still wants to and his PNAC buddies then I could see someone higher with more power controlling what's really happening to bring him down by letting him do his own thing and not tell the media to cover him. :shrug:

;)

(I'm winking, but then again, maybe I'm not.)

but I would think a good place to start would be, for instance, the international advisory board of JP Morgan Chase corporation. Who is or has been there? David Rockefeller, George Shultz, Henry Kissinger... George Shultz helped assemble the neocon team, he was the mentor of several of them (Wolfie, Rummy, Condi), introduced Condi to Dubya. He is currently Ahnold's economic advisor and rumoured to have played a role in the Californian "energy crisis". He has worked with the neocons in the AEI, Committee on the Present Danger and elsewhere. Also advisor to and formerly CEO of Bechtel corporation, a central player in the military-industrial-intelligence complex and international "water baron" (bad, bad corporation) with close connections to the World Bank. Extremely well-connected fellow (CFR, TLC, Bilderberg, Hoover Institution, Alfalfa club, Bohemian Club etc.)

Anyway, Wall Street and the armaments industry rule America. It's not a big secret.

I just don't sense the angst in the business community to actually engineer a take down.

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Buffett warns on US trade deficit
By Dan Roberts in New York
Published: March 7 2005 03:00 | Last updated: March 7 2005 03:00

Warren Buffett delivered his starkest warning yet on the US trade deficit, arguing that excessive consumption today risks turning the country into a nation of "sharecroppers" dependent on foreign landlords.

In his widely read letter to Berkshire Hathaway shareholders, the billionaire investor used the analogy of tied farm labourers in the 1930s to describe the dangers of relying on overseas financial support to fund the $618bn (£321bn) shortfall in trade
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One of the Wall Street gurus, the fellow from Merril Lynch, had an apocalyptic prediction about the future of our economy under Bush around election time.

These are the two places I picked up the vibe. :shrug:

:evilgrin:

I work with a bell weather industry that has a pretty good grasp of employment. They are gang busters right now. This company is the number one seller of mid level crm type software, and was just purchased by a British firm who is in the top three of the world. Today, in a meeting we talked about growth, and how both of the firms would handle it. The customer we serve is spending money, all of us have been in limbo since 9/11, and the coil is ready to spring.

That coil has been "ready to spring" for some time now. Maybe you guys will be right some day.

The Nixon economy had been quite good for some until the 1973 oil crisis. That blew everybody's mind. I see the falling dollar as an impending crisis (not to mention the trade and budget deficits) that may have a much greater impact, one that effects EVERY ASPECT of the economy. It's hard to imagine anything providing a bigger shock than oil, but with the exponential drop in the dollar is one of those things. I'm glad to hear your company is in great shape. That's exciting. Outside of high-tech, food, and movies, what do we produce here; and what percentage of tech is being outsourced. I believe that Buffet's reference to us becoming a nation of "sharecroppers" is telling. We'll see.

was NOT that good. He instituted wage and price controls in 1970, I think it was. Bad move. All the reputable economists said not to do it. The intent was to curb inflation, which it temporarily did, but once the wage and price controls came off a few years later, BAM! Inflation skyrocketed. Jimmy Carter, unfortunately, gets blamed for high interest rates that Nixon caused with his dumb wage and price controls.

stuck with the blame for "guns and butter" from Viet Nam and Nixon. So many people were hurt by hyperinflation, they blamed what they thought was the proximate cause, which unfortunately was Carter.

(and I was an adult already) is that things were beginning to go sour by 1971. The job market tightened, lots of companies were laying off workers. But layoffs don't provide dramatic visual as do long lines of cars in front of gas stations.

Here's something else to keep in mind about the oil thing. The oil companies deliberately made sure that oils supplies were especially low in the media centers and in the DC area. My family out in Arizona never experienced any shortages during that time.

Trust me, things were going bed at least a year before the whole oil thing.

tens of millions per year.

They don't think the economy is bad.

if the economy collapses.

on the horizon that scare really big people like Warren Buffett.

I, too, am not holding my breath. Just praying real hard for the downfall of the disgusting repukes...especially those at the top.

Bush was going to lose in 2004 because "management" was done with him.

I believed it at the time.

(Yes, I know, he DID lose in 2004. But somehow "management" decided that he didn't.)

My concern in 2004 was that our guys had no presence on the election fraud potential in several key states. If they didn't, neither did "management." By all the polls, it looked like Kerry in a close race, particularly in the last few days. "Management" is simply forces powerful enough to direct the press to do it's job.

>it looked like Kerry in a close race, particularly in the last few days.<

We know a lot of Republicans because of the area we live in. (Last stop before Eastern Washington...) We were frankly astounded at the number of Republicans that told us they were voting for Kerry. People who would have NEVER voted for a Democrat previously were "holding their noses" and doing so.

It is hard for me to believe that we are the only area of the country this happened in. I'm still puzzling over it.

Interesting thread, that's for sure.

Julie

My husband is a Republican and he voted for Kerry. Our "circle" consists of BOTH Repubs and Dems and we don't know of one Repub that voted for ShrubCo.!!! Not one! You are absolutely spot on regarding the "holding their noses" comment! We heard much the same!

Peace!

only told by about a dozen OR LESS people that they were voting for Bush. These were Reps, Dems, Greens, Libs etc.

I still think Kerry won. I do believe in polls. They proved right with my town's mayoral race so why not nationally?

I poll watched. At 9:00AM about 25% had voted and 20% were already in the box absentee. That's 45%. Lines were very heavy all day. By 7:00PM, 63% had voted according to the tally. That's 18% more in 10 hours of constant lines. Oh, BTW, we had machines which Fairfax Republicans & Democrats wanted to get rid of. This was an absurdity. Ask questions and you get this arrogant response like the poll workers knew what they were doing. They did not but the machines sure did. Oh, and it was close, Kerry by 5-6 points but you sure couldn't find anybody around here, including a lot of Republican friends, who were voting for *. The thing was stolen in more places than we know.

I'm in the southeastern side of Tn and Kerry won in all the local polls. One of the local news networks had a poll with Kerry/Bush and women and he won by two/three points. :shrug:

within the management structure for 2004 with the *faction succeeding, temporarily? And what if they have been given enough rope to hang themselves?

I can't speak indepth on the "management" portion due to the amount of flux in the population right now. But the thrust of the points made are happening in real time.

"Management" doesn't know if they're going to be able to get their guy into office before other factors "interrupt" their tattered plans.

Everything above (and also below) should be taken with a grain of salt. The acceleration of the collapse is taking place in ways most aren't even aware of. So just sit back, do you part, and get ready. This isn't going down like the "power" thinks it should. (and that's not a bad thing)

:yourock: That's the compelling part of the scenario. There is a "real-time" flow but it's not the '70's with the narrow case of media players. We're in anarchy mode right now. This could be the story that draws the blogs into a much higher profile.

On the surface it sure as hell looks and feels like impending anarchy. But is this really the case? There are other more powerful forces at work here than the casual observer would notice. I won't go into any great depth at this point but I will say that all may not be as it appears.

This is not a smoke and mirrors game I'm alluding to. There are very real forces that are colliding right now and the US Citizen will win in the end. How great will the cost be? No one knows for sure. But the US citizen will win. And the prize is huge.

so I hope you're right! If it works out this way, please contact me and say "I told you so!" I'll be quite pleased to hear that.

I'm simply watching the "game" play out like everyone else. Though most don't know there's one going on nor what the rules are.

would rectify the outrages we've experienced since 2000, but I've yet to see any evidence that it's happening. Joseph Wilson has professed faith in the same, but AFAIK he's still waiting too.

I'm finding this sub-thread very interesting and intriguing, although my imagination may be in overdrive. I don't think they're talking about career professionals in the government, although they may have a "role" to play. May The Force be with the good guys.

I believe they KNEW what was going on in '04, we aren't the only ones who heard Peter King's statement, "It's all over but the counting and we'll take care of the counting." I believe that they didn't interfere because they wanted a clean sweep of the neocons, DeLay, et al, and they want to insure that they're out, what better way than to expose them to the ire of the American people. The way it looks right now, the neocons will be swept away,
the BUSH machine will be broken and the country will once again be ruled by realty based leaders.

We've seen it a thousand times and they get away with it each and every time, like the Roadrunner. Are you really seeing something now that makes you believe they're going down? Because I'm not seeing it.

I have heard that Bush will be gone soon, first the Wyley brothers have been arrested, they are the texans who poured money into both the Swift boaters and the McCain defeat in the Florida primary. Secondly the Plame Investigation is now front page news, despite the
fact that investigation was completed since October and nothing has been acted on, now even our Attorney General is speaking out on it. (What I heard is that someone on the WH staff will be indicted to weaken GWB's base). The allies are leaving the coalition. You forgot Poland is leaving at the end of the year. The Ukraine, Bulgaria, Italy, are leaving and even the UK are cutting down their forces this summer. (The Brits are leaving Iraq to go to look for Osama Bin Forgotten in Afghanistan-what an embarrassment for GWB). DeLay, George's friend, not his best friend mind you, is going down.
His bills are not being passed, he will be isolated, ignored and humiliated until he is gone.

That's a lovely scenario.

You have such compelling and tantalizing posts. I hope you're right.

expensive suit, and with proper english, but the same fascist corporate thief robbing the American middle class.

Autorank, you are so damn smart. I love to read what you come up with here. And it's totally ok if you are right!!

I am keeping my fingers crossed that the day will come when the middle class and working class poor rise and revolt!!! And our soldiers too!!

were from Buffett and the Merrill chief economist (I think it was Merrill). Buffett's statement about us being "sharecroppers" is simply stunning. This is Mr. Establishment and he's soundling like he's posting on General Discussion. I just can't see that without some plan behind it. Maybe the plan is just to scare the "beejesus" out of the greedy class. We'll see. :hi:

I don't know if I believe it. The economy is getting worst due to Bush's mismanagement and may fall off a cliff soon. I sure the money interests can't be happy.

You are a true :patriot: This is in the tradition of John Heartfield!

http://www.towson.edu/heartfield/art/art.html

... for calling it art! :D

WOW!!! I really appreciate the John Heartfield link!!! :woohoo:

He was the head of the Berlin DADA movement too! :)


Translation:

Mit seinen Phrasen will er die Welt vergasen
He'll gas the world with his words

Der Mann, der die deutche Verfassung beschwor, spricht jetzt von Frieden. Er wird ihn halten wie seinen Eid.
After swearing to uphold the German Constitution, this man now talks about peace. He'll respect peace as little as he respects his oath.

:evilgrin:

Or is it based on some inside info?

ulation based on the Delay troubles and the end of the Plame investigation, which will produce some action. The Buffett quotation on "sharecropper" nation. There is somebody else on this thread who seem to have some inside track.

and a kick for good measure!!

:kick:

...would be wise to stop and reflect on the outcomes we want to achieve.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day to reflect on what we the people intend to do to stop the theocratic neoconsters from slaughtering even more children, from ........)

And

Had to laugh at the reference to "management". Being a Carnivale fan and all.......

Let's hope management is more substantive than it was in the last few episodes. That was an amazing plot twist. Finally, someone else who will admit publicly that they like the show. :evilgrin:

did everything they wanted and is still doing it--tax breaks for the rich, rising oil prices for fat cat energy brokers, no corporate scandal convictions of anybody that matters (e.g., Martha Stewart not Ken Lay), new bankruptcy "reform" and social security privatization, and death of the estate tax.

He did exactly what they told him to do. They've never had it so good.

investors are saying, we're headed for a cliff. Buffett is "the guru" of the stock market and economic projections on a company wide and national level. He's disgusted and that's just the tip of the iceberg. "Management" is, I believe, aware now that 30% more of nothing isn't nearly as good as the something they can have if Bush isn't allowed to ruin the economy and drag us into any more wars. It happens all the time in large companies. "Management", the board, hires a CEO. There is all sorts of optimism, he/she's a "hard charger" etc., and then, on occasion the person turns out to be a huge loser. AMF to that person. We just can't get rid of Presidents without a lot of drama and fanfare because of the fixed term.

would necessarily run up the national debt and 2. helps a lot of big multi-nationals if they export anything from the US. Foreign competitors are hammered by the currency "tariff."

As far as investors go, the stock market went into the toilet when Bush took office and slowly starts to climb out before someone flushes once again. Case in point--the Dow was almost up to 11K a few weeks ago, and now it's down to barely over 10K.

Why is "management" so patient with BushCo? is my question.

The DeLay thing is really interesting. This guy isn't doing much different than he's done for quite a while. The story about opposing Kozovo after junkets, favors, etc. from dubious Russians is just devastating. That practically accuses him of treason. Yet it's just coming out now. When CM gets activated, I think we should all get interested. The goal there seems to be, take out the biggest fundy-extremist Republican on the block to make a point. I think "management" patience is largely a matter of greed and also the super aggressiveness of the Baker-Bush faction in seizing and using power.

The real tip off will be any serious examination of the election. I'm not sure they'll let things go that far but it would be a sight to see--CM letting the truth out that * is not even remotely legitimate.

for years, and it does seem odd that for no apparent reason The Hammer is getting hammered.

All along, I have felt that the Republicans wanted a squeaky clean candidate after Bill Clinton, & they picked GWB, he was the president's son, he had a prestigious education, was personable & I think they thought they were really getting GHB back but there's a tremendous difference between the two. I think that they thought he was inexperienced but that his dad would ride to the rescue if needed which did not happen.

Give me a big fukkin break!

Corporate "management" loves Bush and his puppet admin and Congress.

Corporation says: kiss my ass. Bush says how long. Congress says can I also suck your balls?

Sue

and blame it on a target group like terra-ists or - wno knows - librul bloggers and/or those ravening, rampaging gays. That would get the job done and stoke up the fires of hate and fear very nicely while rallying everyone around the "survivor." It's bound to have been at least discussed somewhere among disgruntled cartel members.

the key word here is unstable, the stock market is unstable, there has been increasing acts of violence & hate crimes throughout the country, the RW's are unstable-look at the Terri Schiavo problem, impaling judges????
they're afraid that the situation is too volatile, what I heard is they are so desperate they are considering breaking open the
election fraud to put Kerry in. That would give them a president w/o a majority in Congress that they could point fingers at for what's going to blow.
It is so BAD that GWB read the newspaper today, some of the pertinent articles.

what I heard is they are so desperate they are considering breaking open the
election fraud to put Kerry in.

Where did you hear this? There's been near-total compliant silence about the stolen election in the media. And since Bush was certified, how could the revelation of the election fraud put Kerry in? I'd love to hear more!

asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush.
“We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the United States is loony tunes,” he says sadly. “That’s not good for my candidates, it’s not good for the party and it’s certainly not good for the country.”
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml

Nothing, at this point, short of some act of divine intervention, could restore any credibility to one thing President Bush and his cabinet could do.
www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/05/11/dorothy.htm

they not list detail, they just state that George Bush should be replaced because it's a wise "management" decision. (ie he's a defective CEO). They are just trying to figure out the most efficient way of doing this and getting rid of all his administration at the same time. It's not a wistfulness for Kerry,
they just want a clean sweep and feel it's too dangerous to wait through the cycle.

No business would wait for two years to get rid of a defective chief executive, but we do it routinely through adhering to scheduled elections.
The writer is a retired Senior Foreign Service Officer of the US Department of State. He will welcome your comments at wecanstopit@hotmail.com

topic that is presented and discussed in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1727593
Thread title: From a Kos diary: 'Horrifying, personal John Bolton story"

This is about a first-person account, the full text of a letter describing Bolton’s actions in a series of incidents in 1994. This account marks him as clearly mentally unbalanced as well as vindictive. The narrator, the victim of his attack, is the best friend of the poster of this letter at Daily Kos (link in opening post). Her letter was sent to the committee, but judging from remarks recorded in the New York Times, it would appear that there is a partisan effort to dismiss her charges as groundless without ever truly addressing them:



MY TRANSLATION: "We can be sure she is lying because she doesn't like Bush. And Bolton's old acquaintance talked to a couple of people - no, we don't have any sworn statements from them, but trust us, they were at the center of everything and only tell the truth - and they said they didn't hear anything."

We need corroboration to back up her story. Any knowledgeable comments or suggestions would be very welcome. I am currently trying to interest some professional journalists in taking over this story, to approach Ms. Townsel for an interview and track down people she might suggest for backup. I’m reluctant to email the foreign service officer you mention just out of the blue – I’d appreciate your comments on that too.

(Re your citations on the "end of Bush" rumors - I am going to save them and watch for more. Thanks again.)

Delay is a side-show. His purpose is to draw heat while the "management" do whatever it is they are doing. They will gladly give up any individual to keep their agenda intact. Doesn't anybody remember Nixon?

"Management's" agenda is now threatened by Bush, just as it was by Nixon. Bush is actually behaving as thought he's in charge and he's screwing up by the numbers. It's time to stage an understandable departure for Cheney first, then Bush. If we just had a Parliamentary system, we could handle this sort of thing more efficiently.

The current administration is a bunch of Mafiosi, whose only agenda is to loot the place and move on. They don't care if they drain the Treasury and then sell off any remaining assets at fire sale prices. That's the whole point of the exercise.

"Management," on the other hand, may not be good guys, but they're not pirates. They're concerned with stability and preserving the value of their long-term investments. And that means putting a certain amount of attention into maintaining the economy, the environment, and the human resources.

I don't doubt that the pirates are going down. The only real question in my mind is whether "Management" is going to keep running the show afterwards or whether people power will finally reassert itself.

"Management" isn't eternal. It didn't exist in the earliest human societies. It was invented with the rise of civilization because there were important things to do (such as putting in irrigation systems and other major infrastructure) that required a significant concentration of wealth and effort.

For thousands of years, "Management" ruled very visibly, in the form of kings and nobles who gave the orders and made everyone else grovel. In the last few centures, three interconnected processes -- technology, capitalism, and democracy -- have made "Management" less and less necessary, and the former ruling classes have been reduced to running things from behind the scenes.

I suspect that what we are witnessing now is the death throes of "Management" in any classical sense. There are three main factions involved: those who want to return us to a society of nobles and peasants (like a fair chunk of the extreme right), those who presently wield power from behind the scenes and would be perfectly content for things to continue on that basis, and then the noisy rabble of people like us who won't settle for anything less than complete devolution.

The conditions that pertained at the rise of civilization no long hold true. Every one of us already holds more power in their hands than any medieval monarch did, in terms of the ability to travel, to communicate, to create new things. Whatever lies on the other side of peak oil is almost certainly going to involve a major decentralization of energy sources. A world completely free of "Management" is on the horizon, and the only real question is how to get there as peacefully and constructively as possible.

:yourock:

Especially the part where they remove cheney first! Every time I fantasize about b*sh being evicted from office in some way, I immediately feel sick in the pit of my stomach remembering cheney is next (he's much worse IMO). So, I truly appreciate your scenario that the "plan" is for cheney to go first...

I hope this "plan" or something similar is really taking place right now.

** edited to add,

...it also occurs to me that we haven't seen much of cheney recently...

wonder what's up with that?

I remember hearing rumors not long ago that it was said Cheney will step down and Rice will take over the VP. Does anybody know about that??

anything about that at all, but since you bring it up, it would not surprise me in the least.
That would put her in the jumping off point for the next election. Black female, thats in love with the BFEE Oil agenda. She would be a natural given their modus operandi of pandering and manipulating votes. It fits.

DeLay is just distraction so people are onto him while they do some "behind the curtain" magic show stuff. Bush obviously doesn't care much about him at all and neither does "management." As long as the oil and dough is coming through they'll keep going. Rove is taking his orders from someone and he constructs what goes on and Bush does it. Cheney I think more-so acts on his own.

...not that long ago. That scenario with Cheney going down was in my dream.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x42939

That is too freaky! And you're right, it is the Nixon scenario. I'm telling my parents to give me $50 if this is how it plays out.

Also, check out this email I got today. It's an update on the status of an old guy's lawsuit.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snip

From: stphinkle@aol.com
Date: 4/15/2005 10:03:32 AM
To: d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Lawsuit Update

Doug,

You may circulate this. Additionally, I have some suggestions that may
get you greater support. I would suggest contacting these
organziations, as they may be interested in helping with this project,
and may want to provide lawyer or monetary support, or get the word out
on their listservs.

MoveOn.org
American Civil Liberties Union (www.aclu.org)
Vetrans against the Iraq War (www.vaiw.org)
Iraq Vetrans Against the War (www.ivaw.net)
Vote to Impeach (www.votetoimpeach.org)
Democracy Now (www.democracynow.org)
Committee opposed to Militarism and the Draft (www.comdsd.org)
Mothers Against the Draft (www.mothersagainsthedraft.org)
Mother Speak (www.motherspeak.org)
Military Families Speak Out (www.mfso.org)
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (www.carnegieendowment.org)
WorkingForChange.com (www.workingforchange.com)
Our World Our Say (www.owos.info/index.php)
Electronic Frontier Foundation (www.eff.org)
Michael Moore (Documentary FilmMaker) - www.michaelmoore.com

If we work together, and get the word out, maybe we get Bush impeached,
and hold his administration liable for their illegal wars, before they
go into any more wars, reinstate the draft, or cause our country to be
attacked in revenge, for destroying america's respect in the world.

Stephen Hinkle



-----Original Message-----
From: d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net <d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net>
To: stphinkle@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:51:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: Re: Lawsuit Update

Thank you Stephen for your support. I admit that I am somewhat
"ansy" at the lack of support and it probably is my own fault for not
being knowledgeable enough on how to use the Internet to solicit help.

When I say it would be irresponsible of me to proceed without massive
support I should explain that the early skirmishes of a lawsuit are
generally the area where the opposition attempts to put down the
lawsuit on procedural grounds. It is that area that has me the most
concerned.

First and foremost is my standing to represent the class action as an
attorney for the class. It is unlikely
the court will allow me that privilege as my status with the
Washington Bar is that I am suspended from practice for not having paid
bar dues since 2001. The bar wants nearly $5,000.00 to re-instate me.
So In that regard, I need to bring on board at least one attorney
(preferably 3 or more) with qualifications to represent the class.

The second area, considering the above, is that should I attempt to
proceed on my own, the case could be precluded from a judgment on the
merits with a need to spend the next year or two chasing procedural
issues in appellate courts. Net result is that Bush and Company merrily
proceed on their way to complete immersing of the government in fascism
while my/our lawsuit spins it wheels. These are realities I have to
face.

To top that off, I am not supposed to be allowing myself stress as a
heart patient with open heart surgery
in 2000 and a mild stroke in 1994. The fact that I have eroded hearing
with perhaps 30% loss in my left ear and a right ear that went into
attrition fifty years ago after Meniere's disease is not exactly the
health conditions needed in such an enormous undertaking. In spite of
all this, I am dedicated and Committed to do what I can to stop the
Bush, et al agenda.

I have sugessted an ancillay effort that could do as much or more than
the lawsuit and in shorter time;
www.recallthecongress.com . Of course that will take dedicated
American patriots.

Would you mind if I circulate this exchange to others so that all may
know and understand why the lawsuit is hung up?






-------Original Message-------

From: stphinkle@aol.com
Date: 4/14/2005 11:55:46 PM
To: d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Lawsuit Update


Doug,

I just wanted to say that the $5.00 donation was probably from me! I
will ask some freinds to donate, as well as my family.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net <d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net>
To: StpHinkle@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:48:53 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: Re: Lawsuit Update

Stephen,

I posted a status on the blog site a month ago which has not changed
as of this date. Interest in the effort
has almost totally fallen off. There has been only one $5.00 donation
in more than a month for a total of under $500.00 . I indicated that I
needed massive support in order to prosecute. So far that hasn't
happened. Until it does it would be irresponsible to prosecute as there
would be no way that I could handle the paper work that would come from
a dozen or two government attorneys. Motions for summary judgement
would likely be filed and I would be hard pressed to defend against
them. I will not voluntarily dismiss the suit but I expect there will
be special appearances made for motion to dismiss for want of
prosecution. At the present Bush lawyers are doing a wait see.

All it would take to get this moving is the financial resources I have
outlined. Unless massive interest is shown I have little hope of
achieving what we want.

Doug


-------Original Message-------

From: StpHinkle@aol.com
Date: 4/14/2005 4:13:40 PM
To: d.a.wallace@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Lawsuit Update


Dear Doug,

I was curious, what has the government's repsonse been to this
lawsuit. Have they filed a admit/deny response to the allegations yet?

Stephen


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>snip


So people, please pursue this effort: www.RecalltheCongress.com

Thank you and take care!

The only dreams I ever have about The End of Bush--like this lovely one from last week--all feature an apocalypse on American soil. And the soil of some other countries.

It's a fantasy. But heh I liked it.

Still as I said on a thread yesterday about the Dow going down, the "real Republicans"-not these neo-con ideological pretenders and their bible thumping followers-are not happy.

Incompetence does not pay. I really believe that. The ideological game is not cutting it-the money people are not going to let this stand. I feel in some upside down world where I'm rooting FOR the CIA and the "old money power guards" to save us from the American Taliban and their incompetent nasty unchecked ilk.

Oh let it be.

Check out who Paul Craig Roberts is, a TOTAL Republican, and then look at what he's been saying. This guy is connected and he's speaking for himself and others in the Republican Party.

When you read his snippets, ask yourself, "Wouldn't you think this was a really good DU rant if you didn't know who he was?"

Paul Craig Roberts: He was Distinguished Fellow at the Cato Institute from 1993 to 1996. From 1982 through 1993, he held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. During 1981-82 he served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. President Reagan and Treasury Secretary Regan credited him with a major role in the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, and he was awarded the Treasury Department’s Meritorious Service Award for "his outstanding contributions to the formulation of United States economic policy." From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy.

Or this:

"April 04, 2005
Job Drought Continues

By Paul Craig Roberts

In March the US economy created a paltry 111,000 private sector jobs, half the expected amount. Following a well-established pattern, US job growth was concentrated in domestic services: waitresses and bartenders, construction, administrative and waste services, and health care and social assistance.

In the 21st century the US economy has ceased to create jobs in knowledge industries or information technology (IT). It has been a long time since any jobs were created in export and import-competitive sectors."
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050404_drought.htm

February 11, 2005
We Have Nothing to Fear but Bush Himself

By Paul Craig Roberts

Suppose you are the party responsible for invading a country under totally false pretenses. Suppose you had totally unrealistic expectations about the consequences of your gratuitous aggression.

What do you do when, instead of being greeted with flowers, you find your army is tied down by insurgents and you have no face-saving way to get out of the morass? If you are the moronic Bush administration, you blame someone else.

Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Cheney and Bush blame Syria and Iran for the troubles that they brought upon themselves. The Iraqi insurgency, say the Five Morons, is the fault of Syria and Iran.
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/050211_bush.htm

me too!



Yes! Please let it be! The CIA's revenge! So sweet!

I'm not even saying it wouldn't happen. Here are my thoughts about the situation. I've thought since the day * was declared the winner of the 2004 election that Cheney would have to go at some point. To be honest I am shocked he's still there. Having said that, I do not think that the choice for VP would be Powell. Powell has been f*cked by Baby Bush one too many times and I doubt he would be willing to attach his name in any way again to Bush.

But you have to think that "management" or whatever you choose to call them are behind Bush. Look at what he's done since re-election and tell me someone somewhere isn't on his side! The appointments of Gonzalez, Rice, Hughes, Wolfowitz.. None of these were popular public choices.


Your right about the state of the country spiraling out of control. In the past when a President has stepped on any toes things have happened. (Kennedy, Nixon, Clinton etc.) But in this case I think they would first try another 9/11 type event. However that type of thing has a huge chance of backfiring in a big way. Who would respect a President that had not one but two catastrophic terrorist attacks happen during their Presidency?


The Republican machine is currently terrified of Hillary Clinton. At the rate Bush is going, Hillary will be elected in a landslide win if she runs. So something needs to be done about that. They are beginning the smear campaign against her now. But the question they have to be asking is, will that be enough? They do not fear John Kerry, as they are ready willing and able to pull Swift Boat Vets Part 2 out of their butts. Not to mention the millions of people who did not take to Teresa Heinz Kerry. So they really do have to be looking at dumping old Cheney-kins. We've got a head of the Democratic party who isn't taking any sh*t & is willing to do the work to get us back on track. I think the Repubs are running scared right now. I sense a DeLay explosion coming-- not to mention the ever rising gas prices, the slide of the dollar & eventually Wall Street is going to take a huge hit.

Then again.. Who knows? We're all thinkers! I don't sense alot of that coming from the Republican faction of the government. (Frankly that goes for some of our Democratic representatives too. Like those that voted Yes to the bankruptcy bill)


That's the end of my rant for now. But thanks for posting such a great read!! I nominated it.

the Bush II version is a renegade lot. I think that a lot of heavy hitters, except the best and brightest, were giddy at the prospect of keeping their hand in the cookie jar. Besides, we have not seen, in my life time, a crew as ruthless as this one. They don't just cheat to win, they cheat all the time. It's kind of like Charles Keating buying five Senators for $1.0 million (Cranston, MdCain, etc.) back in the 80's for just his S&L interests. It had never occurred to anyone to be that blatant, just give them a ...t load of money and tell them what to do. Keating got every thing he wanted for that $1.0 million (but he was a lousy business man so he blew it). I recall Nixon quite well. There wasn't much he wouldn't do but he's ethical compared to these clowns. My point is that "management," the rational faction, is just waking up to how both awful and incompetent this crew is. Now, the rational faction will try to work it's will with the press and other vehicles to pull this one out in the last two minutes. Thanks for your post. It's very thought provoking!

management to wake up ASAP. IMHO the future of both major political parties lies within a mass awakening. As dems I feel we have a better kick off point now that Howard Dean is at the helm.

is why do they want John Bolton at the UN?? Bush knows that it's risky with Bolton and what he says. He knows though they can easily get him through with the republicans in control of everything. So why him and why is Wolfowitz gone since he's a PNAC member?

Wolfowitz makes little if any sense. Bolton is a horror show! The guy is a mid level Schedule "C" appointee. He's a hack and a clown. He is so awful a career civil servant, who describes himself as a Conservative Republican, testified in public calling Bolton a guy who "kisses up and kicks down" and a "serial abuser." Oops, the troops are restless. * is barking mad to make an appointment like this.

Wolfowitz is just a weird call. :wtf: is that about. The guy's banking experience is summed up by ATM use. The World Bank is a nice rake-off for everybody. It sounds good but basically fronts to get privatization schemes in place and screws the locals. You don't "high profile" the scam with a clown prince like Wolfie. Oh, god, now he's going to talk about the "Marsh Arabs" again. The guy will do for World Bank what he did for Iraq, mess it up real good.

These are not the appointments if a stable leader. They are the actions of a spoiled zealot. Dangerous.

Think of it this way. How happy was the mob with John Gotti, the first ever boss to seek publicity. He was so high profile, the five families in NYC are virtually shut down.

"Management" doesn't like the high profile rip-off. That makes it easier for the masses to take sides and we know whose side they'll take when they get a clear picture. Clowns like Bolton and Wolfie make the picture crystal clear.

I think that GWB is still paying off "favors" from 2000.

I remember this guy from FL and, based on what was accomplished, he's in line for a big payoff. The fact that he's so disrespectful of the UN is, I think, one more sign that * is operating totally from ego and strangeness. I mean, seriously, appointing a guy who to an organization that he's on public record of disrespecting and discrediting is just amazing. Petty, odd, fuitless...he's got a "major malfunction."

not making him an ambassador after he was promised that if he contributed x dollars to the campaign that he would get one. I can't see promoting someone with Bolton's record otherwise. Remember when nominees were the best of the best, and didn't come with a waiting line of people with grievances against them.

He speculated that Bolton was nominated because Condi wanted him out of the State Dept. If he's as they say, I would too.

That's what I expected to happen. I thought they wanted Kerry because they thought he was better for business.

Whatever faction didn't like Kerry (save the looters close to *) sure wish he was President now (I'm talking about the elites). I think that because the */Rove machine is so ruthless and so oblivious to ANY rules, it was probably not possible to stop them in 2004. A sudden "break" in the election fraud story or a rapidly building "interest" and coverage would prove my theory. Wouldn't that be fun...The De legitimizing of the President, 2005.

Yes! Love that prospect...

They thought the Neocons would roll over Kerry with their emerging
theocracy, instead they are being held accountable. The republicans are saying that the current Republican majority is so weak, fragmented and cannot lead. As it is, the dems are organized and determined, they even have a "war room"

Is the Matrix running on your DVD player? I wish you were right, but I'm not going to count on it. I'm sure everything is going exactly as planned. They force the country into a depression. Start another war and get cheap labor out of those of us left behind, because we're hungry. End of the American dream.

:dem:

I think the whole country has been in a dissociative trance and will wake up soon. It will be quite a shock when the TRUTH is allowed to emerge. A poster above said "management" views the USA as "sustainable agriculture," which I think is correct. We're the last unrestricted market, the only place you can make real money on pharmaceuticals, in particular, and, in general, on conspicuous consumption in a variety of mid and high end markets. Any one with a brain in business knows, if you don't have enough sheeple with money, you can't sell enough product or service. It's a simple equation that they've no doubt realized. Bush is so dangerous because he's a nut, he's highly ineffective in his policy formulation and execution, and he believes the shit he's saying. Thats "resigned" time.

:hi:

I've never seen "The Matrix" but now I'll have to check it out, but ever since November things have felt strange indeed. :shrug:

concentrate on the symbols and story. It's amazing. :hi:

Maybe, that's the point. The sheeple don't have to be Americans.

Outsourcing jobs to India & China grows the middle-class in those countries, which will eventually be a market of two billion people, so there's plenty of room for growth (in economic terms).

Karl Rove is the one who needs to go. Without Rove Bush is nothing.

Excellent point!

I absolutely agree. He alone is responsible for every one of Bush's victories. Without him Chimpy would have bungled himself out of politics long ago.

So telling.

They probably don't care about polls though. I'm sure their republican reps are getting worried though for 2006. Frist obviously doesn't care since he's not running for re-election (thank God) and DeLay is grasping for straws now.

You seem to believe.

Republicanism is about bigotry and a hierarchy of wealth and opportunity. Just like Plato's republic, they want to establish an order where every Greek may enslave anyone of a different nationality. By doing this, even the peasant Greeks feel like they have a leg up on the ones "below" them. There will also be "fortunate slaves" who have a leg up on "those other slaves" and so on.

Like in Nazi Germany, the time will come when being a 4th generation white male German will not be enough to spare them from the abuse of the ruling class. In America this will roughly take the form of: Only married white male conservative republican Christians with 2.3 children, a minivan with 3 flag decals, and 2 generations of documented donations to the republican party need apply.

This is the nature of the conservative republican. They continually divide amongst themselves to establish this imaginary pecking order. In time, they will attack and feed on whomever is next to them. The last sound will be a gigantic burp.

I have mentioned that before. My guess is though that they will install another Ford-like president. ford was a far more intelligent man than anyone ever gave him credit for, but honestly, he was put there to prevent the American public from going "NUCULAR" (as bush would say.) Z

IMO, if this country is willing to accept another "honest guy" president in the WH so that our government can "tow the line" for a few years and continue on later with the status quo, this nation is doomed to fail again.

NEXT time, IMO, nothing will stop them from succeeding! They learned a great deal from the last attempt to take over this country and the next time they will be able to pull the wool COMPLETELY over the public (sheeple's) eyes!

It's time this country wake up and start making sure their politicians start telling us the truth at every turn.

BTW, I am fully aware that Democrats, Libertarians, Green Party, etc. etc, lie every bit as much as Republicans. It's time Americans DEMAND truth and real representation of their leaders. When the government hides things the way they have been doing for so long THEY hold all the cards!

All the pukes have to do is praise the baby jesus and all is forgiven. Dude, where's my country?

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MTP is all-Delay today. I don't see how he can survive.

What lobbyists is going to throw boatloads of cash now, when there could be other charges in the wind. Remember the lobbyist who wanted his money back when his flunky was appointed to a cabinet post. They want them on the floor of the Congress, wheeling and dealing, passing their legislation.