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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:20 PM
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Democrats will vote for privatizing Social Security
I am betting that Bush’s Social Security plan will be enacted with the help of Senator Reid and a majority of house and senate democrats before the end of this year…Any takers on that bet?

Since it is such a sure thing that a majority of the minority will sell out the working class, I might even give odds…

Just kidding, betting is immoral and since we are headed towards a theocracy, with nothing standing between us and Jerry Falwell….no immoral thoughts from this boy.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:21 PM
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1. Sadly, I think that you're right.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:27 PM
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7. Both parties are rotten to the core
and must be cleaned out for sure.

There are only a few noble dems out there, but I think you're wrong on this.

I think an overwhelming number of elected dems know that if passed it will sink whoever votes for it. It would follow them for the rest of their lives and for political reasons alone they will avoid it like the plague.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:34 PM
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9. I don't know
Reid has said a few times that he will do what he can to keep Bush from making SS private. Go to MSNBC and watch his December 2004 interview on "Meet the Press."
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:39 AM
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30. Why do you think there are only a few noble dems out there?
Please respond.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:22 PM
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2. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ..........................
The shtick's getting old.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:25 PM
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5. Sorry it is so Boring......
Unless someone keeps hammering home the point the party will keep kissing the republican's asses. I am running the DLC and the republican look alikes out of the party, or, starting a new party. Shit, if we are going to go down, why go down in the party of a bunch of backroom sell-outs?
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:54 PM
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25. Here hear
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 11:54 PM by Tux
A new party that can be composed of Greens, pissed off Dems, and progressives of other sorts. It would need a political philosophy that is progressive and leaves no one behind. Need a good name as well.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:24 PM
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3. Of course they will.
What else did you expect???
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:24 PM
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4. Well darn. I was going to take you up on your bet.
I don't think it will pass. Lack of support will force Frist to postpone the whole thing until next year...mayby indefinately.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:25 PM
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6. I hope not but ...nothing surprises me anymore.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:33 PM
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8. Republicans won't even vote for privatizing SS
As a former Republican, I am in touch with these people. They know that this isn't going to fly. Their biggest challenge is distancing themselves away from Bush policies.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:36 PM
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11. Money Talks and BS Walks
The stock market money is yelling,"let's in"
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:42 PM
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16. Really?
Then why the overwhelming Rep support for the bankruptcy bill, the repeal of the estate tax and the additional tax-cuts for corporations? Please, let me know when the conservative Republicans will do something against the * agenda.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:44 PM
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18. Hell, let me know when the majority of Democrats do something
against the Republican agenda.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:44 AM
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31. They CAN'T do anything until they get a majority somewhere.
Right now, they have nothing, but legacy judges. Hence the Shiavo attack.

Maybe we should all go Green. Shhh! Like that was so successful in 2000, but let's do it again just amongst ourselves and see what happens when we keep it to ourselves.

(sarcasm turned off)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:36 AM
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34. check your local newspaper
What about the filibuster of radical judges?
What about the ANWR vote? Some Democrats voted for it, but a majority of them opposed it.
The same it true of most of the Bush/Republican agenda. Almost all Democrats have spoken and voted against it. I wish they were doing or had done more filibustering, but how much support are they getting for what they do?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:35 PM
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10. most people cop out of principles in order to GAIN public support,
all too many Ds all too often end up taking issues that the great mass of Americans oppose AND are inconsistent with their values
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:37 PM
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12. SS private accounts isn't popular with anyone
That's why the R's are retreating.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:45 PM
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20. I know! I just hope that will stop them:
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 11:45 PM by MisterP
remember, too many Dems voted for interfering in the Schiavo case even though 82% of Americans opposed legislative interference. Reid's pattin' himself on the back for reaming us with the not-popular bankruptcy and class-action bills (elsewhere on DU) *whacks self in face with chair*
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:48 PM
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21. The democrats were far more in touch than the GOP were
Let's go from there.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:37 PM
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13. No way will Dems support it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:39 PM
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14. Agreed
The R's are even retreating from it, big time.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:39 PM
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15. They'd better not.
Or there will be LEGIONS of baby boomers with pitchforks on the streets.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:44 PM
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19. There will be both GOP & Dem pitchforks
on the street. The only people to profit by W's SS plan is Wall Street and corporate globalists. That's why the GOP is running from the issue as fast as they can.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:49 PM
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22. You got that right.
It's not a "partisan issue".
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:42 PM
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17. I'll take that bet.
Even elected Democrats are smart enough to know when they are winning and what got them there.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:50 PM
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23. The bankruptcy vote was discouraging
However, most Democrats who voted for the Bankruptcy bill are holding firm on their opposition of privatizing Social Security. This is a fight the Democrats are winning.

We shouldn't expect a cave in on SS.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:03 AM
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28. wish I had your confidence, Jack.
We shouldn't have expected a cave on the bankruptcy bill.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 09:15 AM
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37. I'll give my Congressman as an example
Mike Thompson (1st District/California) is one of the Democrats who disappointed us yesterday. He is opposed to Social Security privatization. If he were to backpedal on that, perhaps we might explore the possibility of running a primary challenge; otherwise, it would be foolish to hold one vote against him when there are so many important votes he will make between now and November 2006. That is true of any member of Congress.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-14-05 11:50 PM
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24. Most Dems believe privatization's a bad idea. Elected Democrats included.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:01 AM
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26. mo they won't
all but one Democrat is on record as opposing privatization. They will not vote for this.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:03 AM
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27. I don't agree with you
I think Bush's proposal is dead in the water. I don't think Dems even have to kill it. I don't think anything will ever even be put on the table to be debated or voted on.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 12:19 AM
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29. Agreed
It was a stupid idea. Americans are not going to gamble their wages on the stock market where the only guaranteed winners are the bankers. Bush needs to dream up something else to satisfy his globalist donors to redirect the money of the working class to the elite.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:06 AM
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32. well, the Democrats have caved on everything else . . .
why stop now? . . .

besides, there is no party organization to keep them in line . . . Democrats in the House and Senate are just a bunch of individuals, each with their own agenda, who happen to have been elected as Democrats . . . many of them have absolutely nothing in common with one another . . .

there will almost certainly be enough Democratic defectors to ensure that the filibuster execution succeeds . . .

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 08:20 AM
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36. Somebody jog my fuzzy memory...
but didn't Talking Points Memo have thorough coverage of isolated Senate Democrats possibly selling out on this issue, and that at last count there were 2 or less of them that would vote with Bush on this?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 01:27 AM
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33. If they do, that will be the end of the Democratic Party as we know it...
I guarantee it.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-15-05 08:17 AM
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35. I'll take that bet.
Hell I'll give you odds that not only will the Democrats try to gun it down, but that enough Republicans will jump ship so that it won't pass. On the whole, the Democrats have been using Social Security privatization as an issue to make Bush look bad, and it's been working.
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